With the hood open, the bypass is right there so it would be a bit quieter with it closed. It's still going to be loud and I have no problem with that.
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Originally Posted by LTb1ow
(Post 902986)
Will this be at the april meet???
Would love to see this thing in person!
Depends if I can get the alignment done and some break-in miles on it. Granted there are no issues with any of these items, I can bring it if the weather is nice.
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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen
(Post 902989)
appears to smoke a lot less!
Yes, there was no black mark on the ground like before and no noticeable puffing from the exhaust. Seems to be running the cleanest it ever has. We will see how it looks after I break it in and throw ~20lbs at it. :twisted:
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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider
(Post 902991)
Hopefully it smokes moar at the track! :drool:
:nod:
Blackbirdws6
03-31-2014 12:30 PM
Still no word from either of the prospective tuners.
greenformula92
03-31-2014 12:40 PM
awaiting GMHTP update article lol
Blackbirdws6
03-31-2014 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by greenformula92
(Post 902998)
awaiting GMHTP update article lol
Probably a long shot but I will likely drop them a line when I feel it would be ready. The car will be rolling around on the stock 5 spoke chrome 16's for a bit. Once the car is feeling good, I will splurge on new wheels.
LTb1ow
03-31-2014 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackbirdws6
(Post 902996)
Still no word from either of the prospective tuners.
Call TTP, setup appointment with Tony, and be done.
Best bet if you want to talk is to swing by their shop and grab Matt when he isn't doing 50 other things. :lol:
Gotta be short and succinct
greenformula92
03-31-2014 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackbirdws6
(Post 902999)
Probably a long shot but I will likely drop them a line when I feel it would be ready. The car will be rolling around on the stock 5 spoke chrome 16's for a bit. Once the car is feeling good, I will splurge on new wheels.
i'm kinda kidding. i'm sure you won't get another full feature.
it definitely seems to be running much better though judging by the lack of exhaust smoke. I wouldn't be surprised if your dyno numbers come up as it seems much healthier
as far as tuners go I am going to use EFX but that's because my options are limited being TPI
Blackbirdws6
03-31-2014 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by LTb1ow
(Post 903001)
Call TTP, setup appointment with Tony, and be done.
Best bet if you want to talk is to swing by their shop and grab Matt when he isn't doing 50 other things. :lol:
Gotta be short and succinct
Short and succinct are two things I don't do when it comes to this. I do not live down the street from them either so I would rather not have to come back unless there was an issue on my end. I don't want to just make an appointment without discussing some questions I have. These mainly have to deal with what tires I bring and also if I should have some bigger injectors in my pocket.
Paul Huryk
03-31-2014 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackbirdws6
(Post 902999)
Probably a long shot but I will likely drop them a line when I feel it would be ready. The car will be rolling around on the stock 5 spoke chrome 16's for a bit. Once the car is feeling good, I will splurge on new wheels.
When you are ready, let me know and I will use what little pull I have as an advertiser to get an feature in GMHTP.
BonzoHansen
03-31-2014 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackbirdws6
(Post 902995)
Yes, there was no black mark on the ground like before and no noticeable puffing from the exhaust. Seems to be running the cleanest it ever has. We will see how it looks after I break it in and throw ~20lbs at it. :twisted::nod:
I'm curious if your O2s and spark plugs will be happier now too.
Blackbirdws6
03-31-2014 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Huryk
(Post 903004)
When you are ready, let me know and I will use what little pull I have as an advertiser to get an feature in GMHTP.
Very cool. I've seen them do little updates but I have done a number of changes since the first feature. Perhaps my oval/underbore cylinder back story will qualify for exciting toilet reading.
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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen
(Post 903005)
I'm curious if your O2s and spark plugs will be happier now too.
I am honestly surprised they didn't immediately foul or fail. I switched to a non-projected tip plug this go around too.
sweetbmxrider
03-31-2014 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackbirdws6
(Post 903003)
Short and succinct are two things I don't do when it comes to this. I do not live down the street from them either so I would rather not have to come back unless there was an issue on my end. I don't want to just make an appointment without discussing some questions I have. These mainly have to deal with what tires I bring and also if I should have some bigger injectors in my pocket.
And RPM is? I think an hour fifteen is a little more reasonable and "local" compared to anything else. Take a trip down in the f8tal after discussing with him on the phone about a face to face meeting etc.
Blackbirdws6
03-31-2014 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider
(Post 903009)
And RPM is? I think an hour fifteen is a little more reasonable and "local" compared to anything else. Take a trip down in the f8tal after discussing with him on the phone about a face to face meeting etc.
TTP is certainly much more reasonable regarding travel. RPM is not on the top of my list for reasons you already know. I don't have the time during the week to get down there during their work hours. A face to face isn't necessary for the questions I have. A phone call is more than appropriate and easiest for all parties.
LTb1ow
03-31-2014 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackbirdws6
(Post 903012)
TTP is certainly much more reasonable regarding travel. RPM is not on the top of my list for reasons you already know. I don't have the time during the week to get down there during their work hours. A face to face isn't necessary for the questions I have. A phone call is more than appropriate and easiest for all parties.
They are there on Saturdays, so we could swing over with car after alignment.
sweetbmxrider
03-31-2014 02:06 PM
The stars, they are aligning.
Blackbirdws6
03-31-2014 02:17 PM
Hmmm
LTb1ow
03-31-2014 02:52 PM
Just need to schedule things, and what not.
Blackbirdws6
03-31-2014 03:10 PM
I should get a phone call within the hour.
LTb1ow
03-31-2014 03:23 PM
Their notorious for forgetting, make sure to annoy them.
Blackbirdws6
04-01-2014 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by LTb1ow
(Post 903018)
Their notorious for forgetting, make sure to annoy them.
At least they are consistent....
redorange97
04-11-2014 08:17 PM
Love it!
Blackbirdws6
09-28-2014 11:08 AM
So here is an update on the car...somewhat a long one.
The engine went back in the car but after a troublesome break-in, it was burning oil again. This was pretty depressing since the entire purpose of taking apart a running/driving car was to solve this issue. As some know, the car drove/ran pretty well even with the heavy oil consumption.
After discussing the issue with the builder and the piston ring manufacturer, a few tricks were tried to alleviate the issue but it wasn't getting any better. I thought I had the issue almost resolved at one point but I guess its tough to see smoke driving the speed limit on the highway. I had the car retuned against my better judgement thinking this would help in the long run. The tuner was not able to dial in the tune for obvious reasons and went conservative to avoid an issue. While the car drove better and felt more powerful, it still burned oil badly.
Retune dyno runs resulted in around 654rwhp/616rwtq on a mustang dyno. (spun on the first run) As you can see from the graph, power seems to taper towards the top end. The tuner mentioned I was loosing boost so I likely was experiencing a little bit of valve float. Turns out when the heads were redone, there was a miscommunication on the amount of seat pressure needed. These were setup for 150lbs but I actually should be in the 165-175lb range. Oops....
I was undecided/heartbroken/depressed/etc on what to do at this point knowing another rebuild who be costly and the effort would be significant given my free time was very limited. Without support of great family and friends, this likely would have sat in the garage as a sign of failure. And so out it came and off to Pal Performance. Things should be easy but they rarely are when you try and save a buck here and there. I was convinced my Yukon XL 1500 would tow the heavy car but it was going to need some help.
Tow upgrades (yes I know this is all overkill and the truck will explode any minute)
New Class IV hitch, Tekonsha brake controller, larger trans cooler, rear coil spring bags, bluetooth OBD reader/Torque app to monitor temps. Oh and new HID projector headlights, fog housings/lights and turn signal housings.
The engine was loaded in the back of the truck and I headed down to Ellwein's at 4:30AM. I was a bit tired so since I was riding solo, the only way to stay awake was volume 11 blasting of Five Finger Death Punch and DMX. I arrived at 9ish and we started pulling the engine apart.
As you can see, the bores are a little too shiny and the crosshatch is gone. There are a number of ideas on what is happening to cause the issue twice. Some say fuel wash, others say its the ring design. All of the hard parts (except the block bores) were in great shape which is good. While this is apart, I am going to up the compression a bit but this will require new pistons/rods.
While the engine has been out, I took a look at the trans input shaft to see if there are signs of twisting or other wear. No twisting but the splines have been taking a beating. Guess this is what happens when you put this much power into a 4000lb car.
I picked up a new input shaft and took the trans to Bob Hanlon in PA. I met Bob yesterday. Nice guy and knows his stuff. My hope was the trans didn't have any other major issues and we could just change the input shaft. He opened it up and thankfully everything looked good except the main cluster was showing common wear for high HP cars without a fluid pump. Nothing was broken but it will likely make a little bit of noise. Considering the noise of the blower and exhaust, I doubt I would hear a thing. At some point, I can have Bob go through the entire trans and install fittings for a fluid pump to retain the life of the cluster long term. Seeing as I don't track the car often, I don't see a need to upgrade at this time (famous last words). A new shaft is in and looks good.
So the game plan is to have the block remachined/honed, new Diamond custom pistons (double diamond coating), conventional style rings for boost, new link bar lifters, and new valve springs. The engine will be broken in outside of the car to seat the rings before it goes back in the car. I will also be sending the clutch out for a rebuild just to start fresh.
