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Blacdout96 04-07-2011 08:21 AM

Thinking about doing composite parts again...
 
I miss working with composites, so I'm looking to maybe get back into it. I'm thinking about starting out small, and work my way up to large body parts.

What do you guys think of carbon fiber valve covers? I was thinking maybe starting there. I can only be as one member put it here, a " parts jockey" for so long, the pay isn't good enough by any means, and my talent to work with these composites is going to waste.

I was thinking SBC valve covers to start with since they are the easiest, and most common of valve covers to produce for our engines. It would be a 3 layer design, 2X2 twill as the first layers, then a mid layer of Kevlar for strength and rigidity, and then a final layer of unidirectional carbon fiber for additional strength and help with the mating surface, and possibly an aluminumpiece that would run around the perimeter for gasket mating assistance, but I believe using some RTV would seal that right up.

So who would maybe be interested in looking into a set of these? I really want to bring my experience to our group, and to our chassis. I'm just looking to gain interest right now, see if it would be worth doing.

sweetbmxrider 04-07-2011 10:01 AM

http://www.scootersperformance.com/s...bcb2_photo.jpg

I think they look really good when it goes with the rest of the motor.

Pending the price and how mine look after some time, I could be into it.

Nother shot

http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/a...1-26213703.jpg

Blacdout96 04-07-2011 10:46 AM

I see they're coming in at around 380 from that company, I think I'd be able to come in lesser on my price since I'm the only one doing the work.

FYI, I only vacuum bag, which saves weight, and evenly distributes the epoxy resin for a smoother finish.

sweetbmxrider 04-07-2011 10:56 AM

I'd like to see what you come up with for sure.

V 04-07-2011 11:16 AM

could you make other parts like rad covers and such? (mainly wondering about CTS one)

http://www.submariner.org/thepno95/P...%20shroud1.jpg


what about brackets and other one off items?

sweetbmxrider 04-07-2011 11:33 AM

Yeah I could be into 1 off's but I don't know how the pricing will be.

Blacdout96 04-07-2011 11:52 AM

problem with one-offs is you have to pay for a one off, meaning you have to pay for the mold and the part since a mass produced part would usually help pay off the production of the mold.

Paul- That could be something I can do, but I would need a donor, and that would potentially get damaged from reinforcing it to make a mold since it flexes too much as is, which might make the finish product hard to install without minor modification if not reinforced. ( I.E. the end tabs.) Right now I could do simplified stuff like those.

Things like 3.8 valve covers, which use a rubber gasket that sits inside a track around the bottom, would require two molds bolted together to get that, and I'm not looking into getting that involved just yet...but just about anything is possible if the demand is high enough.

LTb1ow 04-07-2011 11:53 AM

Carbon fiber dash pads.

Make mad monies.

Blacdout96 04-07-2011 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LTs1ow (Post 759744)
Carbon fiber dash pads.

Make mad monies.

Thought about it. Demand it enough, and it may come true.

sweetbmxrider 04-07-2011 12:40 PM

Full dash would be cool too. a pillars with the option of gauges!

LTb1ow 04-07-2011 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacdout96 (Post 759745)
Thought about it. Demand it enough, and it may come true.

GM sells em for ~300, and these cars are not getting any younger...

sweetbmxrider 04-07-2011 12:52 PM

6LE sells them for a little over $100 to around $150

LTb1ow 04-07-2011 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider (Post 759759)
6LE sells them for a little over $100 to around $150

F that guy.

Blacdout96 04-07-2011 01:06 PM

A-Pillar's? I'd have to take a look and see how complex they are, but they seem doable for the most part. I could do just about anything, but I would need enough people for the first batch to make it worth it, like 8-10 orders minimun. If the Jersey shore Pals (JSP) can get enough people interested, or even other places like LS1tech ro something, I can't see things not getting enough interest to produce.

LTb1ow 04-07-2011 01:09 PM

Any pics of your work ?

Blacdout96 04-07-2011 01:17 PM

Haven't made a part since I left Viking, but basically look up their 46 and 82 yatchs, I either built or had a hand in just about all the parts from the hull, to the transom to the live wells and tuna tubes.

I'll make something now that I have a reason to get out of the house to show you guys my attention to detail and workmanship.

LTb1ow 04-07-2011 01:18 PM

Bah, I know some crappy Viking glassing...

:lol:

And cool, would be nice to see some A pillar pods for hard top cars.

Blacdout96 04-07-2011 01:27 PM

Absolutely, there's tons of parts on our cars that aren't too complex. I'd like to hear more interest from others, glad to see some interest in the first place.

LTb1ow 04-07-2011 01:35 PM

And just simple stuff like radio/HVAC delete plates would prob sell.

Blacdout96 04-07-2011 01:40 PM

Ah! that's right, forgot about those, maybe I will start with those, since that is nothing more then a flat piece with possibly some bolt locations. I would only use either two pieces of carbon fiber ( 2x2 and unidrectional) or if there will be buttons and knobs, possibly one piece of carbon, and one piece of Kevlar to prevent flexing when you go to push a button or flick a switch.
I'll have to take a look at my price list at home, and do some quick math.

WildBillyT 04-07-2011 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacdout96 (Post 759766)
Absolutely, there's tons of parts on our cars that aren't too complex. I'd like to hear more interest from others, glad to see some interest in the first place.

Depending on your pricing I may ask you to do a 3 hole pillar gauge pod for my Nova. I have another guy doing it but his is a mashup of a stock pillar and a universal one. I'd have you use that as a base and make a one piece. I'll let you know.

Blacdout96 04-07-2011 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBillyT (Post 759772)
Depending on your pricing I may ask you to do a 3 hole pillar gauge pod for my Nova. I have another guy doing it but his is a mashup of a stock pillar and a universal one. I'd have you use that as a base and make a one piece. I'll let you know.

send me some pics of the progress, Id like to see what he's got going on, see if I have to blend the guages into the pillar. is that pillar metal or plastic too?

WildBillyT 04-07-2011 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacdout96 (Post 759773)
send me some pics of the progress, Id like to see what he's got going on, see if I have to blend the guages into the pillar. is that pillar metal or plastic too?

He hasn't started- still in infancy.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j7...illarcover.jpg

68s are different slightly though. Again, if pricing is not bad I'd consider buying a crappy stock pillar and sending it to you to play with.

Blacdout96 04-07-2011 01:59 PM

Hmm, I might have to see a few other photos, but so far I see where he's going with it, and seems doable. I would have to sand it smooth because the epoxy gets distorted and bumpy and looks like **** if you leave the surface coarse like that ( damn ABS plastic lol). I might be able to make a cheaper mold then normal since all the curves give it strength and reduced flexing.

jts98z28 04-07-2011 02:52 PM

if you could make this for less than $30 id buy it


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