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WildBillyT 03-26-2013 02:05 PM

Yeah, I hear you on that one.

Regarding the cam, yeah you could swap it because there's only 2 gaskets left, but if you replace it with a flat tappet you run the risk of wiping it on break in.

If you do swap cams I have extra camshaft break in oil, with Comp's additive package. Fill motor, break in, dump oil.

PolarBear 03-26-2013 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen (Post 875926)
Is that high tark?

F'in A!

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Originally Posted by WildBillyT (Post 875927)
Yeah, I hear you on that one.

Regarding the cam, yeah you could swap it because there's only 2 gaskets left, but if you replace it with a flat tappet you run the risk of wiping it on break in.

If you do swap cams I have extra camshaft break in oil, with Comp's additive package. Fill motor, break in, dump oil.

Wiping it because of the crappy cores I have been reading about? Or you mean re-using the lifters? If you mean re-using lifters I would buy new ones, and everything else..... would probably throw the carb on for break in too if I did that, with the mechanical fuel pump and a 5 gallon can on the ground :rofl:

WildBillyT 03-26-2013 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PolarBear (Post 875931)
F'in A!



Wiping it because of the crappy cores I have been reading about? Or you mean re-using the lifters? If you mean re-using lifters I would buy new ones, and everything else..... would probably throw the carb on for break in too if I did that, with the mechanical fuel pump and a 5 gallon can on the ground :rofl:

Wiping because of the crappy cores. I am a firsthand victim.

With the way you make it rain I can't imagine you'd re-use lifters.

Also, you can't do that with a flat tappet cam. They seat to the lobes.

PolarBear 03-26-2013 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBillyT (Post 875934)
Wiping because of the crappy cores. I am a firsthand victim.

With the way you make it rain I can't imagine you'd re-use lifters.

Also, you can't do that with a flat tappet cam. They seat to the lobes.

Yeah, I would be loathe to spend money on a flat tappet to just have it get wiped out. This has scared me off for a while, reading about experienced builders wiping cams
I would go roller too, but that's around a grand for the retrofit kit

WildBillyT 03-26-2013 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PolarBear (Post 875935)
Yeah, I would be loathe to spend money on a flat tappet to just have it get wiped out. This has scared me off for a while, reading about experienced builders wiping cams
I would go roller too, but that's around a grand for the retrofit kit

That's why I'm questioning even going for it. The 292H I had go did it on an engine dyno at a very reputable builder's place. He took me in the dyno cell and showed what had happened and how the pushrod was not spinning. FWIW the guy that built the engine was a member of Pat Musi's crew.

Does it have an aftermarket cam in it now? Gun to my head I wouldn't jack with it if you plan on replacing it in its entirety soon. It's almost cruising season.

PolarBear 03-26-2013 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBillyT (Post 875936)
Does it have an aftermarket cam in it now? Gun to my head I wouldn't jack with it if you plan on replacing it in its entirety soon. It's almost cruising season.

I dont know what is in it. It definitely has a rebuild on it now that I have checked the cylinders. No ridge at the top, still has crosshatch and the cylinders look about ~.010 over. If it is not a stock cam, its a really small upgrade. Idles smooth, great vacuum.....:|

I was only contemplating since I am sooo close to what I would need to do for the change. If I kept the engine, if my cousin doesn't buy it, the 454 would go into the truck I think I decided so the cam would be beneficial to the truck too in the long run. But if I do that I can do it later too....


I'll just stick with what it has for now and hopefully the intake gasket will seal better this time.

BonzoHansen 03-26-2013 05:33 PM

you ever do a leak down or compression test on it?

PolarBear 03-26-2013 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen (Post 875947)
you ever do a leak down or compression test on it?

Compression yes, leakdown no.

WildBillyT 03-26-2013 06:16 PM

What did it look like?

PolarBear 03-26-2013 06:19 PM

1: ~155-160
2: 160
3: ~155-160
4: 160
5: 155
6: 155
7: 155
8: ~160

WildBillyT 03-26-2013 06:22 PM

Install the intake and go. Buy good gaskets that properly fit the intake ports.

PolarBear 03-26-2013 06:25 PM

New and previous gaskets are Fel-Pro. They are for the rectangle ports of the LS6 manifold. BTK and I installed this manifold and gaskets so I am pretty confident that it was done properly. I dont have a real good straight edge to check for "flatness", I have a few metal rules, but they are a bit too flexible to make an accurate judgement guess whether the flange area is not warped or anything.

WildBillyT 03-26-2013 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PolarBear (Post 875957)
New and previous gaskets are Fel-Pro. They are for the rectangle ports of the LS6 manifold. BTK and I installed this manifold and gaskets so I am pretty confident that it was done properly. I dont have a real good straight edge to check for "flatness", I have a few metal rules, but they are a bit too flexible to make an accurate judgement guess whether the flange area is not warped or anything.

Which heads?

Keep in mind I'm not questioning your or BTK's ability.

PolarBear 03-26-2013 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBillyT (Post 875958)
Which heads?

Both the "new" and old heads are oval ports. LS6 manifold was the only way to get a low rise manifold with the square bore carb. So the ports are MASSIVELY mis-matched :-? have to use the rectangle port gasket

WildBillyT 03-26-2013 07:04 PM

Torker II-O?

Granted it's old tech and single plane, but at least the ports match.

PolarBear 03-26-2013 09:37 PM

Oh, Scott. That silver on the car must be the original paint. Its paint code 64

PolarBear 03-26-2013 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBillyT (Post 875963)
Torker II-O?

Granted it's old tech and single plane, but at least the ports match.

I think that sits taller then the LS6 manifold. Had I really decided to keep the 454 I contemplated having the ports epoxied, so it could be matched to the large ovals

PolarBear 03-28-2013 01:44 PM

http://www.stainlessworks.net/media/.../v/cvls1_1.jpg


Are officially on order :drool: It's only money right? I figured f-it, im going to do it. and yes, I realize I am being vague.... see who can figgir it out

B4C 03-28-2013 01:50 PM

^the flanges look a lot like ls1 flanges.....

Mike 03-28-2013 01:51 PM

I know.

PolarBear 03-28-2013 01:56 PM

Those aren't BBC flanges?

sweetbmxrider 03-28-2013 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PolarBear (Post 876232)
Those aren't BBC flanges?

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...CgNkXAVp99Yfbg

They are with a drill!

Featherburner 03-28-2013 10:30 PM

I can see it now. Bear trying to install ls heads on the 454.

PolarBear 03-29-2013 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Featherburner (Post 876312)
I can see it now. Bear trying to install ls heads on the 454.

You mean my low rise LS6 manifold wont work with the aluminum LS6 block I have in the garage?

Featherburner 03-29-2013 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by PolarBear (Post 876382)
You mean my low rise LS6 manifold wont work with the aluminum LS6 block I have in the garage?

LS6 is LS6. With a drill and lots of self tapping screws and RTV anything is possible.:shock:


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