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BigAls87Z28 02-02-2008 08:12 PM

A Diesel Camaro: What do you think?
 
What do you think? With CAFE getting hiked up to 35mpg for all of GM, a diesel engine could help Camaro achieve over 35mpg while maintaining performance.
GM is going to put the new 2.9 TDI V6 in the VE Holdens. They make 250hp adn 406ftlbs of torque. VE and Zeta are pretty much the same, it would make for an easy drop in, and a good 35mpg performance machine
GM also has its brand new 4.5 Duramax diesel. This engine will go into half ton pick ups and suv's. It has a brand new design where the cylinder heads are reverse,t he intake on the outside and the exhaust towards the center. The car will have no manifolds as the air will come right over the top of the valves on the intake side. It will fit in the same area as any current SBC. Its rating will be 350hp and 520ftlbs of torque.

So, which do you think would be cool?

bubba428 02-02-2008 08:15 PM

as long as its a turbo diesel, I guess thats not the worst they could do to it

Knipps 02-02-2008 08:23 PM

as long as it's not weak, i don't really think i'd have a problem what it ran on

Tru2Chevy 02-02-2008 08:24 PM

I can't say I would definitely buy one, but it would be nice to see either/both. Anything to help make diesel more mainstream is for the better....

- Justin

procamaroz28 02-02-2008 08:37 PM

why not dot not having a hidh reving tach will prob get to some of us

EchoMirage 02-03-2008 12:22 AM

say that in english?

qwikz28 02-03-2008 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by EchoMirage (Post 416568)
say that in english?

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Originally Posted by procamaroz28 (Post 416532)
not having a high revving tach will probably get to some of us

i did the best i could

12secondv6 02-03-2008 10:08 AM

No.

Granted.... I am a fan of diesel technology. I just turned in a 08 R320 CDI and saw a best of 34.5 mpg...... with more consistent 32 mpg and an average of about 30 mpg on long trips.

SteveR 02-03-2008 10:41 AM

Not a bad idea, but diesel prices are a lot more than gas.

damon_Z 02-03-2008 11:10 AM

Good info in the original post.

I do like the 4.5 liter diesel V8 idea. The rating is only at 350 HP, but the most important thing when it comes to real world driving is the 520 ft-lb torque--that's what you'll feel. And most of the time, peak horsepower will only be felt at the higher RPM's. Also, there will always be aftermarket parts to increase the horsepower rating. I've also heard that diesel engines are a lot more durable than regular, non-diesel engines. And I would gladly pay the extra price for diesel gas.

firebirdcrazy 02-03-2008 11:21 AM

Are you talking about a new camaro with a diesel? Or installing a diesel into one of the F body Camaros? The civilian Hummer 6.5 liter diesel engine would be an ideal candidate to drop into a camaro. That would be some project to try out if someone had the time to do it.

trashman01 02-03-2008 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by firebirdcrazy (Post 416637)
Are you talking about a new camaro with a diesel? Or installing a diesel into one of the F body Camaros? The civilian Hummer 6.5 liter diesel engine would be an ideal candidate to drop into a camaro. That would be some project to try out if someone had the time to do it.

i hope ur talkin the H2 version as the H1 one only has 200hp and aint a real screamer

personally i say do it, cuz the aftermarket would explode, remember a programmer comes in 5 flavors from 30hp to 150hp and an extra 200-300lb ft. and nothing would be better then a ricer gettin lost in a cloud of soot

9C1 02-03-2008 02:53 PM

Sounds like a good idea to me. Again, HP doesnt matter as much as torque. HP is more like the force that makes your engine want to keep reving faster whereas torque is really what propels the car forward. The amount of crankshaft turning energy.

Frosty 02-03-2008 03:45 PM

A diesel motor in a Camaro, no matter how powerful it is, doesn't sound right. I don't know...if it'll help keep it around for a while then I guess it's a good thing but...it doesn't sound right lol

BigAls87Z28 02-03-2008 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by firebirdcrazy (Post 416637)
Are you talking about a new camaro with a diesel? Or installing a diesel into one of the F body Camaros? The civilian Hummer 6.5 liter diesel engine would be an ideal candidate to drop into a camaro. That would be some project to try out if someone had the time to do it.

The 6.5 is a hunk of ****. The 6.6 Dmax Diesel that is in the H1 Alpha is a great engine. Problem is it is a very heavy, expensive, and large engine.
And im talking about in the new Camaro. The 4.5 and 2.9 are the only two diesel engines that would fit that are also currently in the stable. Teh 4.5 might be too tall though, but its a thought.

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Originally Posted by trashman01 (Post 416650)
i hope ur talkin the H2 version as the H1 one only has 200hp and aint a real screamer

personally i say do it, cuz the aftermarket would explode, remember a programmer comes in 5 flavors from 30hp to 150hp and an extra 200-300lb ft. and nothing would be better then a ricer gettin lost in a cloud of soot

H2 does not have a diesel option, only gas. The standard H1 uses the old GM diesel.

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 416683)
A diesel motor in a Camaro, no matter how powerful it is, doesn't sound right. I don't know...if it'll help keep it around for a while then I guess it's a good thing but...it doesn't sound right lol

It could keep it around as well as be a big seller in Europe and Australia, where they are planning to put the car.

Tru2Chevy 02-03-2008 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveR (Post 416617)
Not a bad idea, but diesel prices are a lot more than gas.

Yea, but diesel motors get way better milage. My brother just bought an 05 Ram 3500 quad cab long bed with the Cummins....he averaged 22.8 mpg on the way home doing 80 mph on 295 for an hour. My Aunt's 05 Ram 1500 standard cab, long bed Hemi has gotten a best of 15.2 on the highway. Both trucks are 4x4 automatics.


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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28 (Post 416708)
The 6.5 is a hunk of ****. The 6.6 Dmax Diesel that is in the H1 Alpha is a great engine. Problem is it is a very heavy, expensive, and large engine.

The H1 Alpha only got the D-max for it's last year, every other H1 diesel sold by GM had the POS 6.5L.

- Justin

Anti_Rice_Guy 02-04-2008 07:26 AM

I'd like to see one, but I don't know if I would personally get it.

88Z-Man 02-04-2008 10:24 AM

Call me old school or behind the times, but a sports car is not a sports car without a V8 gas engine. So no to the diesel.

BigAls87Z28 02-04-2008 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 88Z-Man (Post 416873)
Call me old school or behind the times, but a sports car is not a sports car without a V8 gas engine. So no to the diesel.

Yeah...a little behind the times.
http://www.totalmotorsport.com/Featu...Fside-2006.jpg

mudjnky 02-04-2008 03:31 PM

How about this one:
http://www.trucktrend.com/features/c...ing/index.html

Not a sports car, but equally impressive

WildBillyT 02-04-2008 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 88Z-Man (Post 416873)
Call me old school or behind the times, but a sports car is not a sports car without a V8 gas engine. So no to the diesel.

The Germans would have you think otherwise. And I'm talking about much more than the Audi posted above.

Teds89IROC 02-04-2008 03:50 PM

Tough choice. Diesels smell like **** and they don't sound good (compared to a V8 gas engine) On the other hand, better gas mileage while maintaining power are all a plus. :shrug:

bandit88 02-04-2008 05:05 PM

i'd buy a camaro diesel...... gas milage FTW

firebirdcrazy 02-04-2008 05:06 PM

I used to fix these hummers in the USMC and it was only till 1998 that the the Hummer A1 as we called it was upgraded from 1 1/4 ton to the Hummer A2 2 1/4 ton with the 6.5 liter diesel allen and 4 speed overdrive tranny. And what a difference it was compared to the old 6.2 liter and 3 speed tranny with no park or overdrive. The difference in power and performance was incredible and the fuel economy depending on the tires and how it was driven reached 25 miles per gallon. Not bad for such a heavy truck. Put that engine in something half its weight and sleek you have one economical vehicle. And another reason for having a diesel engine you cant kill it. If well taken cared of you can get 250,000 miles no sweat.

r0nin89 02-04-2008 09:14 PM

6/8 cyl diesels are way too heavy for the front end of a performance car. A turbo 4cyl cummins makes enough power for a lightweight car.

Put a 6.5 diesel in a camaro and try to not do donuts all day.


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