things turned out better than we thought for both cars pretty much.
randy's car had a ton of cosmetic damage adn a few "minor" bolt on pieces.
ejs car survived the flip with only some straightening needed to the front clip. the "frame machine" of choice turned out to be a roll back truck, some 4x4 posts, a torch, and a few sledge hammers
everything that is bolted to the chassis of ejs car was pretty much junk, but no major frame damage to worry about. no cage distortion or stress marks in any of the major bulk heads either.
both cars will be ready for saturday night, helpfully with a little better luck.
later
tim