[BigAls87Z28]

Problem is, Ian, its not a "war" and there is no "winning" this.
If anything, we are occupying another country. We are there to oversee and impose force and goverment over a group of people that many do not want us there. And for thoes who say "you dont know what your are talking about, they love us for being there", is that why there are bombs going off, killing 10-20 people at a clip? I guess thats an odd way to show "love" for them.
Nothing for nothing, and Im gunna get flamed for this, but Saddam had these people wrapped up. If soemone farted, and it waffed his way, they were dead. Now I dont agree with the mass killings, and the slaughter, etc etc...but, thoes people were in total fear, and there was none of this. He had the war loards beat back, he had the religious cults seperated. Outside of his invading other countires and starting wars, which is what we did btw, he wasnt that bad of a ruler. Thats what we really need, someone to crack the whip when **** gets out of hand over there. Iraq and America are not the same. Democracy and passing of votes, and having it go through several systems just to do somthing is not what is needed in a land like that. They are not as civilized and they know of a different system.