[Savage_Messiah]

Originally Posted by George Washington's farewell address

I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the state, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party, generally.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.
The common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection.

If you need cliffnotes... get out of this thread, go buy a dictionary, and go finish high school.

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

we went through this before dude. it is all about getting rid of terrorist organizations. not borders or what **** head puppet leader of what **** wad country they are hiding in. these people don't jsut stand around waiting for their ass kicking to come, they run and hide.
apparently that is too big a concept for you to get your head around.
i would also like to say that i am not much of a gw fan. i think his international policy leaves a lot to be desired and he certainly could be getting more done to help the middle class.
what he has going for him is that he is not afraid to make decisions. while a lot of presidents, george the first and willy clinton for example, were hardly ever caught making a decision they couldn't weasel out of or entirely hide from. if they did claim a decisio as their own you could count on it being something that the whole world coudl agree on the answer

Getting rid of terrorist organizations is simply not possible. Ever heard the phrase "can't please all the people all the time?" Yea. No matter what someone will hate someone else, whther out of jealousy, spite, or principle (if this wasn't a sad fact then Communism would have been the ultimate answer a long time ago). And guess what... the more we "hunt down" the terrorist organizations, the more people will be pissed off that we're invading their country and join with the other side, againt America... and there we have more "terrorists" and "insurgent groups."

Maybe Bush isn't afraid to make decisions, but he obviously doesn't show much if any intelligence with them. Bush only cares about being the tough guy and taking out all those "bad" and "evil" people. Clinton on the other hand kept us pretty much out of conflict, got us out of devt, created jobs... aka WORKED ON FIXING AMERICA BEFORE TRYING TO FIX THE WORLD. We have a president of the United States, and he should worry about our own country before trying to be the world's hero.

Originally Posted by johnjzjz

the crusades were fought in the 12th century over the same issue Muslims hate Christians and anyone else that itsent Muslim -- they are going to strike us again - as soon as the liberals start impeachment of bush because he talks funny or any reason - be afraid very afraid - jz

Please don't take this too personally, as Melissa has spoken very highly of you so I doubt having this conversation with you in real life would be like it is here, but that has to be one of the most blatantly ignorant and paranoid things I have ever heard. Muslim people and fanatical Muslims are completely different, as are Christians and Christian fanatics, Jew and orthodox Jews, etc. Granted this country was founded on Christian principles, yet (and our founding fathers embraced the necessity of change) with the melting pot principle we have become much more over the years. Oh and by the way, the Christians went and fought on Muslim turf in the crusades, so it would be the Christians who "struck" back then.

Impeaching Clinton for his personal life was complete stupidity, as it did not affect the running of this nation in any way. Bush has been caught out in the open on more lies, and his lies COST THE LIVES OF OUR SOLDIERS AND OUR INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS. I think that's a whole lot worse then denying a BJ.

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Obviously that voting the Dems in did do something. If the Reps remained in control, they would be able to continue to keep Rumsfeld in his seat.
Rumsfeld is a jackass, and has done nothing but cause a Vietnam 2.0 over there. Lack of body armor and continious blowing of smoke up the asses of America about how bad it is, when the Generals are saying other wise.
Bush is a lame duck, he cant go on, but he took out Rumsfeld because he had to appease both the Dems AND the Reps that crossed over. Bush did this so that he could hope to gain back some Republicans that voted Dem.
Bush is clueless, and now we have the former CIA director, probably the same guy that let that memo about Islamic Fundementalists taking flying lessons in Florida, slip through his ****ing hands. This mid term election was about the peopel being fed up with the same nonsense for the past 6 years. Still suffering at home, and more and more troops are dying in the middle of a civil war. Bush IS the #1 Military man in the land. There is no one higher. He is the "6 star" General. Commander in Chief, leader of the US Armed Forces, Gerorge W Bush.

thank you.

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Any reason?
How about...oh, i dont know..


INVADING A ****ING SOVERIGN NATION, UNPROVOKED AGAINGS THE WILL OF THE REST OF THE FREE WORLD?? RING A BELL??
Saddam did that in 1990
Hitler did that in 1938 to 1941
Bill Clinton got a blow job and lied about it, and he brought up on charges. YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!
Any reason? Give me a ****ing break. Im surprised they havent marched his ass down to the Hague.

Thank you x2.

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

you are still failing to see the point here. this has nothing to do with you,your mom,or that sad sack former super power you are from.
terrorism is a world wide problem, this is something we all know already.
america is the worl's police. it is one of the ****** side jobs of being the last standing super power in the world. the US currently has troops deployed every place you just mentioned, some fighting terrorists, some working as occupying forces, some doing **** the government doesn't let us know about. that is the way it works.
our military takes the fight to their back yard to keep them from getting to ours. the people who hate america jsut because it is america enough to want to attack us are the people the military is after. it has nothing to do with what country they are standing in or where they are from, it is about getting to the people who want to attack us and those who make it possible for them to try.
**** them terrorists! USA FTMFW!!!!

Hm, sounds like somebody needs to get Bush's dick outta their mouth and his balls off of their chin.