[Savage_Messiah]

Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah

If I have no idea about war or why we get involved, then why don't you tell me about it.

You still haven't answered.

Originally Posted by johnjzjz

First off ---HAHHAHHAH....actually George Washington's fairwell address was #1 Potomac view terrace, Mount Vernon,Va.--- but than again that is the same way you have chosen to argue -- pick out while standing on the sidewalk what you see is an un truth and soap box it -- my take on your rant is ( you cant see the forest for the trees ) --- I carried WITH ME IN VIETNAM a cig lighter with the inscription --- ( FREEDOM HAS A TASTE THE PROTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW ) IT IS AS TRUE TODAY AS IT WAS IN 1968 / 69 -- JUST DIFFERENT YOUNG PEOPLE SAME MIND SET ( CLOSED TO ANY ONE ELSES OPINION ) -- JZ

What does the location of the speech have to do with what I said? I quoted him to illustrate the negative impact of having parties, ESPECIALLY a two party system, how does "but than again that is the same way you have chosen to argue -- pick out while standing on the sidewalk what you see is an un truth and soap box it -- my take on your rant is ( you cant see the forest for the trees " have ANYTHING to do with that?

Funny how my father was in Vietnam as well, fully agrees with me politically and is even more vehement about the matters than I am.

Originally Posted by johnjzjz

who attacked you on sep 11th. I wont even talk about "wmds" aka mustard gas ( ) cuz that's just pathetic. Or the fact that bush LIED about the documents that talked about their existance. How do i know he lied? Blair, who gave him those documents, later admitted in front of British Parlament that they were made up. ohh nooes...


hey oh smart one -- ( who attacked you on sep 11th. ) That should be us or are you illegaly in the united states -- ( existance -- and Parlament )--are spelt EXISTENCE -- PARLIAMENT -- BTW -- and i am sure you would want me to point that out to you - cuz - u youngens r smart u said -- jz

Way to avoid a question yet again, please answer it.

Originally Posted by johnjzjz

I'm a citizen of the United States of America and Russian Federation.

CANT BE BOTH DUDE - LIKE A GUY WITH BOOBS - YOU ARE OR YOUR ONE OF THEM -- HOPE THAT ENGRESS IS SIMPLE ENOUGH 4 U -- JZ

Once again reinforcing my statement about your blatantly ignorant statements.

Originally Posted by johnjzjz

LETS HOPE WHAT THEY DO IS WHAT IS THE BEST FOR THE USA -- NOT WHAT IS GOOD FOR ANYONE PARTY -- I AM AN INDEPENDANT WHO WOULD LIKE TO THINK I WILL BE VOTING FOR THE BEST ONE FOR THE JOB BOTH SIDES SUCK AT MODS DONT YOU THINK -- JZ

I fully agree up to the part where you say you're an independant, that certainly made me laugh.

Originally Posted by johnjzjz

I would like one solid reason, outside the ones listed above, why we picked Iraq to remove from power, when we all know there are far worse enemies.

IT WAS THE SAME REASON THEY USED VIETNAM TO START A WAR WITH -- IT APPEARED TO BE AN EASY TARGET KNOWING FULL WELL OTHER TARGETS WERE MORE DIFFICULT - BUT THE IDEA IS VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND -- WE THE USA WERE LOOKING FOR A FRIEND IN THE IRAKY PEOPLE -- A STRONGHOLD TO LAUNCH OPERATIONS ONCE THAT COUNTRY WAS STABILIZED ------------------------- BUT THAT IS SO FAR OUT THEIR NO ONE ON THE LEFT GETS IT

Actually it has become the same reason... "We have to spread democracy because democracy is the best thing to ever happen to mankind! Oh wait, the natives don't like that we're here in arms to change their way of life? Oh they are kicking our asses? Oh, I guess is was stupid to come here at all, looks like they don't want our help!"

Some stronghold we have there.

Originally Posted by JL8Jeff

The idea is to try and let democracy grab a foothold in Iraq and hope some of the other middle east countries want the same thing. I seriously doubt that will happen in our lifetime but you have to start somewhere.

Why can nobody understand that, while Democracy thrives here and works for us, that it can not work everywhere?? The Iraq situation has shown us that they simply cannot control themselves and are not ready for any form of democracy, and the same goes for most of the middle east.


I've realized that nobody has brought us the similarities of the two attacks on U.S. soil that have happened. Roosevelt knew that the Japanese were planning to attack Pearl Harbor, and used the attack as a reason to launch us into WWII. Our government had intelligence that said the 9/11 attack would happen, and that was used as a launching point to go off to war in the middle east. The difference being that WWII was a war that we NEEDED to get involved with right then due to the imminent threat of the Axis powers, where as (ignoring Afghanistan, where our soldiers are still being killed although nobody seems to think about that) Saddam Hussein was, honestly, no threat to us at all.

Bush wanted this war long before he was in office. Only it's not working out the way he thought it would... read. And if you're going to say to say oh that's ********, blah blah blah.... then please accompany that with proof that it is.