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Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

it is funny to hear all the negatives that some people throw around when the camaro is mentioned.

challenger? thats funny. i guess you missed the pictures of it getting pushed at teh woodward dream cruise, or the fact that it is such a heap that here we sit 6 months after the initial delivery date and none have hit the street yet, and this is all before you get to the over weight and overpriced car. is it nice looking, yes. is it built on a good riding platform, yes. is it any kind of competition in the pony car market, hell no.

mustang GT. this is another classic. the mustang gt is not 25k well equiped, it is 25k for a base V8 with only 300hp. it is also a car that does not ride very well, has a lot of interior noise, comes with half the warranty of any GM product, and isn't even quick/fast enough to beat a 2002 F-Body much less the proposed 400hp new camaro.

the 350Z is a gutless car with very cool styling. it is typical of the weight of recent generations of camaros and mustang but with the subtraction of the torque that the V8 cars enjoy. i am sorry, but having driving them before i can tell you that the 260ish ft/lbs(can't remember the exact number) is not enough to get the car going. add on the inflated price and i only see this car moving on image sales. anyone who is planning to use the car in a spirited manner, shoudl look elsewhere.

it remains to be seen if the new camaro will live up to the surrounding hype or not, but it is certainly a better car on paper than any of the direct competition. that is a good start. for a few thousands bucks more than a mustang GT and a bit less than the 350Z you get a bunch more car than either brand is offering.

I dont agree w/ any of that. The newer 350z's run 13.2's-13.5@105.xx-107.xx w/ anywhere from 1.9-2.2 short times bone stock , if thats not LS1 times then im not sure what is. I have owned 4 4th gen fbods and have driven in a few newer GT's and the ride was not only quieter but much smoother. The average american buyer could careless about horsepower differance's which is one big reason why the stang is still around and the fbody isnt. As soon as the electonic nanny is taken care of on the 3V GT's they run pretty evenly w/ most LS1's. Its also kinda lame to be comming out w/ a 400 hp fbod in 2009-10 when you can get that in a 2005 GTO.