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Originally Posted by johnjzjz
you keep eluding to we should have done nothing at all after 911 -- and as a pacifist your ideas are always good for a laugh ( warmongers see it that way ) soooo please amuse me with what if anything you think the USA should have or not -- as seen buy you WHAT should we have done ?????????????? --This warmonger sees it different than you > jz
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Yes, we were attacked on 9/11, so I guess we should march into any country we want, destroy its goverment, police thier people, and impose our own Democratic ideas to every Arab nation who doesnt follow in line with us?
Not one single nation attacked us on 9/11. No country's army boarded 3 planes that morning, and flew into the towers and the pentagon. They flew no flag and were not affilated with any single country.
We are in Iraq, and its a **** fest. Afgan is also a **** fest. America is making zero progress in either arena, and we are sounding the alarm for Iran.
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Originally Posted by Teds89IROC
The problem is OPEC, their nations account for 2/3 of the world's oil reserves and therefore control the price.
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Originally Posted by shane27
BTW what about drilling in ANWR? all demoz and tree huggers oppose it, and if we were allowed to drill there we would have a lot less problems, cheaper oil and so on.
incase your wondering wtf im talking about heres a link
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Yes, it would give us a ton more oil. But they are not refining it as fast as they could. The stock market is also manipulating the price of oil drasticly. Like the housing market, like the internet boom, when the stock market gets horny for something, they hound it. Oil is the new money maker.
China consumes it fast, as does America and Europe. The true true price of oil is around 60 bucks a barrel. The other price is inflated due to speculation and playing with oil in the stock market. Thats it. There is no need to turn a beautiful place like ANWAR into a thrashed out, rummaged wasteland.
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Originally Posted by johnjzjz
i dont get the difference the same bad guy different street like fort lee and harlem ???/// they both hate us because some bearded ass said they have to - jz
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Exactly!! Just kill ALL arabs! Thats it!! Same bad guy! Now I see America's plan on how to fight terror! KILL THE ARABS! Gotta beard, a heavy tan, and love Allah? DEAD!! Who gives a flying rats ass?!?! BELIVE IN JESUS OR DIE!!
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Originally Posted by JohnG
yes, I personally (usually) vote Democrat.
it is because I had a blue collar upbringing, and because I want to see that seniors aren't left behind, and that pharmaceutical & insurance companies don't dictate to doctor's what treatment is best, and because my civil liberties are dear to my heart.
that said, one issue alone doesn't dictate how I vote, no matter how important that issue is.
I'm all for drilling in the ANWR. I'm all for gun ownership. I'm all for closing our borders.
but when I think about who will do the best overall job in political offices, there isn't a single republican I can think of that has our best interests at heart.
not one.
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I agree with 99% of what you said, sans the ANWR thing.
Oil prices are being driven by several different fronts, namely speculation on the market and heavy investing and high return on it. People need oil, and people will buy it.
Call me a tree hugger cause I dont want massive oil rigs and refineries in a beautiful lands of America. Maybe I think that there are other things that can be done to help conserve instead of help speed up the consumption of oil. Here in NJ, we are blessed to have some of the cheapest gas in the Nation.
History will show that Bush Jr was one of the most useless presidents ever to be elected to office. Is it his fault about Katrina? No, Bush has no control over the weather, but there was information passed to Bush and his administration about the possibility in case of a near direct or direct hit by a hurricane to the New Orleans Gulf area that the levyes would be useless. Nothing was done, ok thats fine I guess we cant predict everything. But what really pissed me off is the total lack of orginization of the Bush admin. to assist people down there. Just sheer lack of planning in case of an emergency is what baffles me.
Is Bush responsible for high gas? Perhaps. While he doesnt directly control prices or the people who make them, he sure can put this foot down when he sees an injustice.
Bush cant be blamed for things that happend, but he sure doesnt do **** to try to help out. Excuses galore, redirection and stupid moves dominate his administration.
In 8 years, how far have we come? Since 2000, we have enterd a war on at least 2 fronts, with 2 more on the way. We have seen a major decline in employment, we have seen a huge increase in spending, we have seen outright lies by the DOD and the Bush Admin. Countless, countless things that Bush could and should have been impeached for, and nothing was done.
I put blame on the recently elected Dems that also promised change when they would take over Congress, and nothing has happend.
The housing market is in a tail spin, the dollar is sinking faster then Bush's approval rating, we are in 2 wars with no end in sight for either, and all this right before a big election where people are talking about having a guys name that rymes with Osama, and a "crazy" Woman that might make it to the white house.
This country is rotting from within. Like Rome, the fall will come from the inside as is forces are on the edges of its empire, fighting small battles and occupying land they cannot afford to maintain and govern. I look out on todays society and wonder when did all this happen? Has it always been like this?
With all this, we are worried about oil? Oil is just the tip of the ice burg.