I ran an ORY-pipe for several months with pacesetter headers. I got pulled over by an azzhole cop and was informed that i will not have a warning the next time I was pulled over without cats. As far as i know, its a $10,000 penalty and impound of the vehicle (can someone confirm?) It is actually for the better, cuz it sounds so much nicer, and like most said, that extra HP loss doesnt mean sheeit, i barely noticed a difference. But if you plan to lower/have lowered your car, double-check for clearance, both off the ground, and by the fuel lines. Dont be like me and wait a cpl weeks after installation to flip the fuel line brackets due to excessive "buzzing and rattling" with the cats against the lines, as well as avoiding every small bump in the road. That makes for some real fun