[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by Tsar

Stats? You can't just tell me "most" and leave it at that. Anyone can pull out random numbers.

Work in the auto service industry long enough, you realize that a lot of people, like you say below, dont know **** about cars. Look at the blame Ford and Firestone both got for the blowouts in the mid 90's. Soccer moms driving around on 15 psi in thier car, on teh cell phone, yelling at kids, and a squirel pops onto the road. But no, blame was put on Ford for making weak roofs, and Firestone had to recall millions of tires due to weak sidewalls.
But you know what happend? Its not a LAW that every automaker has to put TPM sensors in 07 and future vehicles so that people dont kill themselves.

I'm all for it, but the problem is once someone had a bad experience they tend to stay away from the product. When I will be buying a car there is no doubt that I will do my research and not just plainly go on some stupid myth. But that is me, we as car enthusiasts are not "average" Americans who do not know how to replace a tire, we have more info to base our decision on unlike them. We can make a better choice, for most people cars are an A to B transport and nothing more. So if they bough GM ten years ago, and it broke down 9 times in 36 months and later they bought a honda that did not, well why would they switch back?

I dont blame them for not trying GM again, but some people take that as All GM or all domestic cars are crap. Or even worse, they know of someone who purchased a GM and had problems and use that small example as a reason to never buy. It also goes both ways too.

Last time I saw a poll on this it was 65% against. But feel free to prove me wrong with some data.

You can look at the poll on this board.
I have not seen a poll saying either way, but support for bailing them out in Congress is what is important.

I say stop PRINTING money and stop giving them away to ANYONE. No one has addressed the issue of inflation and how that would be horrible for our future. Sure it is not that hard to print a few trillion dollars, but I do not want to live in Zimbabwe.

No one wants too. But inflation is something that our goverment can deal with, we can bring that back down, we have done it before.
All day on CNBC they talked about it.

For some reason I doubt that Big 3 will turn over night. Maybe it's just me.

Its not overnight. Its not gunna happen right away. But they are developing ways to slim down. GM is at a disadvantage because they have a lot of brands. But the money to cut down on divisions, the money to cut down plants, the money to inject into existing plants to make future product, is not there.
Some have said that GM is looking for the bail out to remove itself of a lot of problems such as paying off dealers, cutting divisions, cutting plants.

They have been climbing because of inflation, with a few other causes. They just didn't say that on TV.

Inflation has only just become a problem.

Actually Wal Mart is posting record profits, Aldi is expanding at a rate of 100 stores per year. I could look up some other retail food stores that I'm sure are not doing terribly too bad (as long as they are not over priced) but I have to go to class soon.

When people do not have money, THEY WILL GO TO ALDI AND WAL MART because they are cheaper = more expansion for both of the above = more work. I do not think they would be expanding if they were suffering losses, especially aldi because they operate on cash only policy.

Well, then thats the answer. 3 million people can just work at Wal Mart.
Outside of Walmart, every other retailer is having problems. Retailers are ready for a poor holiday season.

Look up the sky is falling.

It could.

Plenty of places are hiring, at least right now. You just have to search for it.

I just clicked on my schools website, and we have 44840 job openings RIGHT NOW, in all sorts of different fields! Strangely enough I do not want any of them, but that doesn't mean that there aren't any opportunities.

Ok, so you know what? Im satisfied that even though the Backbone American Industry and Economy will go bankrupt, either Chap 11 or Chap 7, that everyone will be just fine because there are a few thousand jobs out there to take up the slack.
Lets not worry about the massive forclosure numbers that will happen when people have thier income slashed in half. Lets not worry about the draw on unemployment.
It will be a seemless transition and things will be better.
Thread over.

If you made yourself obsolete throughout your career and can not find a job, that is your problem. Stop being one dimensional. I'm a big believer in personal responsibility, it doesn't seem like many people here are. And I clearly do know that giving away money that one does NOT have is BAD. What was that debt thingy again? Oh yea, 10,632,143,514,606.64 (that's in trillion for people who do not know numbers) at this very second. That means I (and YOU) owe about 35k, for what? I have never been late on any payment in my life, in fact my credit score is in higher 700's, which is top 2% of the country. Yet people want to be in bigger debt which will eventually lead to a default. Lets print more money!!!

Wait till 4% of GDP disappears off the books.

Hey I wanna buy a Ferrari F-430, lend me some money!

Cant, your credit score isnt high enough, and you dont have a job, so stick with your firebird.

I do not want any part of my mothers credit, I did not do anything, she did. With that said, she worked in Stop and Shop and Cleaned peoples apartments when she got here. Those jobs will be here no matter what. Rich will always be rich, and well Wally World is doing pretty good. Hell my dad used to ref little league games for extra 50 bucks on the weekend, or right before he got to work. As Adidas says, Impossible is nothing - and to me people are just lazy and want a hand out (for the most part)

Well, thats it. People are lazy, people are stupid, and people are dumb.
Good thing Walmart is hiring.