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Originally Posted by bubba428
dude...wtf? i mean I know you love GM like a big tittied blonde, but goddamn man. is it just me or has the imminent failure of the camaro got you a little extra edgy?
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Imminent failure of Camaro? I must have missed the memo of selling 6 thousand models in its first full month was the first sign of death?
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Originally Posted by WildBillyT
Makes me wonder what type of MR Pontiac and GM was doing. I've seen some of their "consumer" tests and they are pitiful- like they were guessing at what the consumers wanted. That Aztek NEVER should have gotten the green light. EVER.
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First off, fellas and fellettes, #1 Pontiac owner is female, between the ages of 25 and 40.
So you are torn between you fan base of muscle car fans, who from 74 to 02 only really had 1 car to drool over, the actuall Pontiac owner, and the future of the market.
Pontiac was a full line brand, and was always a full line brand. The Aztek, design wise, was a total failure.
The idea of an active crossover, a sporty people hauler...well...lets see
BMW X3 and X5
Porsche Cheyene
Audi Q5
MB ML320/350/500/550/63
Infinity FX35/45-47/50
Nissian Murano
Ford Edge
Mazda CX-7 and CX-9
Toyota Venza
Upcoming Honda Accord based 5 seater CUV
Just a few off the top of my head
yeahhhhhh...lets say GM missed the boat, big time. Problem is, not only did they have a ticket, they were FIRST IN LINE!
They botched it with trying to wrap a Trans Am face over a Minivan chassis.
Anyone want to know the #1 car Mustang owners were looking at the time of thier purchase, outside of the Mustang?
The Pontiac Grand Am. Not Trans Am, not Camaro...Grand Am.
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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon
dude you just stuck up for the aztek. ultra fanboy syndrome. the problem with pontiac is exactly what that video said....inexperience combined with the killing of all recognizable pontiac nameplates and the obliteration of their pinnacle muscle cars name ultimately led to the downfall of pontiac.
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Ok, you must not understand english. I am supporting the idea of the car, not the car itself. I dont like the design, but its the idea, the function, the concept....that was great.
The chassis and ****** design work was what made it a failure.
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grand am, grand prix and bonneville were so much more easier recognizable than the bmw number system. Pontiac doesnt realize....THE SAME PEOPLE THAT BUY BMW ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE LOOKING FOR A PONTIAC.
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Pontiac never intended to target BMW owners.
They wanted BMW's idea of pure driving performance. Handling, braking, feel, design...THATS WHAT THEY WANTED!!
But like you, and many others, you interped the comment Lutz made as he wanted to become a BMW fighter.
Why they would LOVE the idea of having a BMW owner trading in his 5 series for a G8, the idea is to make thier cars follow the BMW philosphy.
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Originally Posted by LS1Hawk
Al, Lynn Myers foresight put the final nails in Pontiac's coffin. Had she developed a crossover like the Enclave for Pontiac before there was a crossover market, I'd give her credit. But I highly doubt anyone looks to the Aztek as the harbinger of today's crossovers. And you have to remember, while the '04-'06 GTOs carried the DNA and the formula of the original, the GTO had been engraved in peoples memories for 40 years before the new one came out. Their expectations were not to get a car that looked like everything else on the road. They wanted something when you saw it coming down the street, it could not be mistaken for anything else but a GTO. What would you think if GM decided to take the Monaro and put Camaro on it? When you bring back your number one nameplate, if you are not going to do it 100% right, don't do it at all.
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The Aztek was one of the first crossovers, but sure as hell wasnt the first successful one, not by a long shot.
Lynn Myers sure wasnt the best person put in charge at Pontiac, but she had some forsight. Maybe it was wasted on a brand like Pontaic
The people who put the nail in the coffin are the same people that brought it there. Pontiac, like so many other older brands, could never run away from its past, and its owners who cling to it. Lynn Myers was trying to make cars for people that actually bought Pontiacs who might actually return and buy more cars.