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Originally Posted by Frosty
Then you can make the argument the GT500 is a waste as it's the upper echelon of it's model. How cheap do you want a car? I mean really. Power costs money. Like I said a million times, the days of stripped out, no optioned high powered cars are dead...building a car like that caters to a VERY select few people. Yes, we're all motor heads here and want to go fast with doing very little work...but guess what? The average Joe doesn't need or want a car like that. They want a car with bells and whistles that has a good amount of power. He/she wants a car that they can hop in and drive anywhere and listen to their XM radio with the sunroof open. THAT is what sells a bunch of cars...not the small demographic we consider ourselves.
Why do you think the V6 models sell so well?
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The V6 cars sell because people don't have the $$$ for the V8 cars. A 50-60k Z28 caters to a very few select people also, no?
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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen
For the Z28? the same guy buying the $50,000+ Mustang. The same guy that bought the $5,000+ COPO or $7,000+ ZL1 in 1969. Deep pockets. the Z is now the top dog and is priced as such. don't get lost on the model designations. Compare apples to apples. Giving the new Z28 it's own engine and not the CTSV engine would just raise the $$ even more!
You guys really seem to be talking about a stripper model/club racer type of car. This Z28 ain't that - it's a shelby/ktr/wtf mustang beater. Do they need one? Maybe. Buy a zero option 1SS and strip it yourself, problem solved!
I'd like to see a V6 car be able to get the underpinnings/brakes on the SS. That might be fun!
not that much in the grand scheme of things.
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First the argument is made that a big power low option car won't selll because nobody wants them. Ok. Point taken. But I argue that while everybody might like the idea of big power big option Z28, nobody will buy them at the price level GM will set them at. So really you end up in the same place weak sales for the Z28?
If you're gonna swing for the fences then man up and do it....Stealing the LSA from Caddy is nice. But if you are really going at the super ubber King Snake/KTR/wtf Mustang why not just use the LS9 and the dry sump setup? At 4000lbs the camaro won't be faster than the Vette, but it'd put such a hurtin on the Mustang that GM would have the bragging rights they seem to be going for. Ultimate supremacy. This might be one of the few instances where using an elephant gun to kill the fly is justified.
I like Bonzo's suggestion with the 1SS except I don't want to buy a new car and strip it. I want GM to engineer a lighter car, add more power and suspension. I think maybe I'm equating the Z28 more to the 1LE and that's not the direction that GM (or anyone else but me for that matter) is going with this. Because originally (first gen) the Z28 was more closely equal to 1LE and the SS was the car to get if you wanted all the goodies. There was no AC or automatics to be had in the Z28 and I'm perfectly OK with that. If we are going retro, then lets go retro. Clearly I am not in agreement with the current marketing strategy or the trim level designations. Nor do I think there is any significant market for a 50-60K Camaro, super charged or otherwise. How many do they hope to build 69 (pun intended)?
As a parting thought.....(not a parting shot)
Do the trim levels like this (thinking back to the first gen stuff)
1LT would be like the entry level think 250/PG combo....
1SS would be like the base performance V8 think 327/210hp combo
2SS would be like the high performance V8 think 350/300hp SS combo
3SS would be like the special high performance V8 396/375hp SS combo (currently what the Z28 sounds to be, big power, big options)
Z28 would be like the orginal Z28 - good HP/suspension/brakes, lower option availability, lower curb weight. You might be required to pass the old "turn your head and cough" test before signing your name on the line for one......
Peace.....