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Old 01-24-2010, 10:02 AM   #33
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Originally Posted by Tsar View Post
Frankly, I don't care why. I didn't feel like paying for the replacement over and over again. Either don't come up with crappy designs or pay for it to fix it. Neither were done.



So glad you brought up millions of people who might be affected. So how do you feel about GM Side Saddle gas tank issue? Over 10 million were installed, over 1800 people were killed in fiery crashes, and GM payed millions of dollars to shut them up, besides Mosley vs GM that is.

Transportation secretary pretty much said (clicky for a long pdf) that GM is at fault for it, because of the design, and it should have never existed in the first place. In addition to the fact that NHTSA has urged GM to issue a voluntary recall (clicky), what did GM do? Pretty sure it was NOTHING


Like I said before, at least Toyota is doing something.

Cheers,

P.S. In before you try to put a positive spin on all those deaths.

Oh, and as always GM is number 1!!

Every car owner makes bonehead decisions and tries to spin it. A bad design does not necessitate a recall. GM proved that with the window motors, LS1 piston slap, Dex cool issues, SS Silverado steering columns (shout out to you, Phil!) and I'm sure a bunch of other stuff. Hell, I love my GTP and have owned it for 10 years now. But one of the dumbest designes I've ever seen is having pressurized fuel flow over top of the supercharger (with a coupling on top) pointed straight at the front exhaust manifold. And don't forget about 12-time presidential candidate Ralph Nader and his book.



But they are not alone in the least. Honda Civic Si owners have an issue with their transmissions jumping out of 3rd gear- and even after a "recall" the issue isn't solved, and the "street solution" is to install non-Honda spec fluid. Or how about Nissan's spec'ing of special magical transmission fluid for their cars, so you have to spend the $9 a bottle to buy it from them (not counting the GT-R's special stuff)? Or the Toyota pickup bed flex issues? Ford Crown Victoria firey rear end collisions? Or the BMW iDrive system? Or the EGR filter in a $100,000+ Porsche that's behind the engine, under the rear seat, only accessible if you remove the top end induction system- and carries a sticker that says "service bi-weekly"?

There are bad designs ALL OVER the auto industry. I do not think it's asking much of every automaker to request that user input to the car should always be reliable. That's a basic need, and one that Toyota screwed up in this case.

The reason why I think a lot of people are making such a big deal is because most people think Japanese or German cars are the only cars worth owning. And this is a case where Toyota made a mistake on a very basic system on most of their cars. Kind of like people having to face a situation like the clean cut valedictorian of a high school ending up knocked up at graduation.
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