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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon
Id be interested in seeing that too, also the breakdown of V6 vs V8 performance models because I hardly see any SS's or better roaming around the streets. Theyre all v6 ecocrapboxes, which is fine, I get they need the base model to be able to sell the performance model, but it seems like Chevy is playing catchup in the performance area. Even the Mustangs seem to be EVERYWHERE...Im wondering where the hell all these Camaros that sold are.
I did forget about the new lt1 motor going into the 6th gens...thats pretty cool.
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I will say that it's somewhat harder to identify the SS cars now with the revised face. Now, you have to look at the hood, BUT I do see a LOT. And I wouldn't call the V6 "ecocrapboxes" when they offer the most powerful V6 engine.
And Chevy is playing catch up with performance? While they don't offer a 707hp supercharged car that you might or might not be able to buy, depending on the alignment of the planets and the generosity of FCA, Ford and Chrysler have nothing to compete with the Z/28, the Camaro SS offers the best bang for the buck, the 1LE is one of the best drivers cars under 40k, AND the next car is going to be even better!
Ford, they promised a lighter weight IRS equipped Mustang, and what they brought out was reality: a car that is 150-200lbs heavier than the last generation.
Chrysler...well... outside of the hard to get Hellcat and Viper on life support, they have nothing.
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Originally Posted by Paul Huryk
BMW and others have a real problem with "size inflation" - the new 3 series is as large as the 5 series of 2 generations ago, same for the 5 series and so on... Problem is that every generation gets a few inches larger in width, wheelbase, interior size, amenities - so they are getting "fatter".
It is rare to find cars that are light, raw (as in less amenities and weight) these days - the Miata, the new Alfa coupe, and maybe the Mini Cooper. Old stallwarts like the 3 series, Boxster, small MB, and others have gained a lot of weight and have dulled the driving experience.
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I'm not talking about general "mission creep" of sizes, but the cars they make for each class tend to be heavier than the competition.
There is a focus for many automakers to trim weight. The new ND Miata is a few pounds lighter than the first gen NA, which is quite remarkable.
The Alfa 4C is actually pretty big when compared to cars like the 124, but small for it's class and the Mini has nearly doubled in size.
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Originally Posted by V
I've seen probably less than 20 2014/2015 camaros since I've gotten my '14. I usually see 1-2 other fifth gens a week.
The 2016 will be nice, and not like the previous years exactly. but still not a big enough change in my opinion. Its more like the c5-c6 corvette changeover. some sharper lines and modified styling but not as big a change as the c4-c5 changeover.
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Design wise, sure, but there will be a dramatic change under the skin and how the car drives.