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Originally Posted by TransAm4Life
How dumb can you be?
Our generation listens to much to the like of the Daily Show & MTV.
Bush will get us out of Iraq the right way. Kerry just wants to pull the plug in one shot. You just dont leave a country, thats what got us ****ed the last time in Iraq. And you wonder why Osama hated us so much?
In WWII the US spent 4 years occupying Germany, and still fought pockets of resistance. Did we give up then just for a few die-hard people who still wanted some action? No we stuck with it, and got Germany back on its feet.
The goal is to get Iraq on its feet. And the liberal media will not talk about the good things that US troops & Companies have done for that country. It takes time, this isnt a microwave war.
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i usually don't like to get into political arguments, but i'm tired of bush supporters thinking they can just **** all over everybody else. i think you've been watching too much o'reilly factor.
kerry does NOT want to pull the plug on iraq. he just sees what a disaster it is (something that bush would NEVER admit, just look at the number of times he's changed his excuse for having a war in the first place). osama and them hate us because we're there, not because we go there and leave. there's 2 main reasons muslim radicals hate america. one is supporting israel, the other is keeping troops in the middle east, the holy land. if you think about women's roles in the ME, they can't do anything without a man's permission, and they must be completely covered all the time. well guess what, we have women in the military, who feel like they don't have to abide by those rules. add in that they're in the middle of the "holy land", and they have a big problem with that. and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
you argue that the reason we got into this mess is becuase is because we just packed up and left once we got saddam out of kuwait, but that's not true. just look at a map of where our soldiers have been for the last 10 years, trust me we've been there.
and bringing up germany is just stupid. now, while i agree that rebuilding a country can't be accomplished in a short amount of time (which although unbelievable, was the scenario that bush gave us), there was a big difference between nazi germany and iraq, the difference being we were attacked by germany's political army. did you know that we didn't even declare war on germany after pearl harbor? we declared war on japan, and then germany declared war on us. germany was a real threat to us, they had submarines and planes, as well as the largest active military force in the world. at that point, we didn't even know anything about the holocaust.
i think the 2 main reasons that the "liberal" media focuses on the bad things that happen iraq are that 1)the media never focuses on good things, and 2)they feel that there was never a good reason for going there in the first place, and i agree with that. there are definitely better places for our military forces to be in the world right now. like how about afghanistan? we didn't finish there, because saddam was such a huge threat to our freedom and our way of life. newsflash, iraq couldn't hit us with a spitball if they wanted to. so now, instead of leaving a predictable nut case in charge and finishing what we started in afghanistan, not to mention having the military power to force ACTUAL NUCLEAR THREATS like north korea and iran to back down, we our over our heads in **** trying to clean up a mess that was the result of bush's personal vendetta against saddam.
the ONLY promise that bush made while in office that he came thru on was the tax cut. let's take a look at his track record:
rebuild the post 9/11 economy: didn't do it
capture osama: didn't do it
rebuild afghanistan: not only did we not finish there, but now afghanistan supplies 95% of europe's heroin
make our country "more secure": you can argue it either way, but i don't feel more secure at the airport. hell, you could get on the train with a bomb any day. i ride the train and path in newark/jersey city 4 to 6 times a month, and i never even see a COP there.
so kiss bush's ass all you want, but i really can't believe that there are people out there who actually think that bush is the best the republican party has to offer.
this is the first and last political argument you'll see me make on this board.