[Fasterthanyou]

I agree with all of you even though I'm playing devils advocate right now. My reasons for doing so is not that I'm right, or left, or independant, or somewhere in the middle. I'm just a true researcher that understands things to never be cut and dry.
I don't know where you're getting the feeling that if you oppose Bush you're a liberal. I keep hearing people that feel this way but I don't understand it, where are you getting that feeling from?
I believe the military has plans of getting out of Iraq but the media (hence we) don't know about it.
The media also focus' on the measily few in Afghanistan that are still giving us troubles. I consider both of these wars WAY better than Vietnam where we lost how many compared to the fraction we've lost in these past 3 wars!!!
I hate to say this and don't get me wrong, I hate hearing about soldiers loosing there lives but hear me out. Soldiers jobs are to fight, they are our front line of defense. We the tax payers PAY these men and women to put their bodies in harms way. You can not say that just because we're loosing a few soldiers here and there that Bush is an evil man with no plan. It's a war, it's ugly, people die and there are difficulties. I honestly never believed for a moment that the Iraq war was going to be easy but I still supported it. Knowing what we know now I wish we never had to go but that's behind us, it wasn't a mistake at the time it was Saddam being a dick head with the UN. You could look back on a lot of things and say we shouldn't have but the reality of it is this. At the time it was in our best interest (this is what our government does for a living) but in hind sight it was a bad move. The objective now is to get Iraq on it's feet as fast as possible and let them experience voting and a better quality of life. They can keep their religion but when you sit on a gold mine (oil) you'll have to deal with the western world somehow... dictators rarely express the majorities feelings, hence our occupation.
I can't tell you who would have been better at cleaning up Iraq but I don't see any harm in letting Bush staying in power.
About Bush not saying he was wrong; it's rather simple. We're top dogs, you NEVER admit that you were wrong, you just don't quit until it's fixed. That's my feeling. We don't need a leader that'll try and get international support at this point in time. America went to war with only a few friends and so we deserve the rebuilding effort (which will hopefully give us a stable oil supply and trading relations). France is in deap **** for their conspiring corrupted "food for oil" crap which has been linked all the way to their President. I have a feeling that European opinions will be changing once they deal with there own problems.
I'm glad we all could have a mature debate. I was worried after I made my first reply that people would take it the wrong way.