Would you vote for this man?

[unstable bob gable]

I "soiently" would! NYUK, NYUK, NYUK!

[Savage_Messiah]

Anything's better than Bush!

[unstable bob gable]

Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah

Anything's better than Bush!

Watch it, Fidgit! lol

[The Fixer]

My three-year-old son would probably do a better job than the guy running this place right now.

Think about it. Bush's approval rating is down below 30%. He won the election two years ago by 52% or something. So, in theory, over 20% of the people that voted FOR him now think he sucks. Need we say more?

[Tsar]

communism ftw

[Brando56894]

soitently!

[Ian]

Originally Posted by Tsar

communism ftw

If human greed was not a factor, communism would certainly be FTW. But everyone always wants more, so its still communism FTL.

[Rich189]

well since none of the other people actually answered the question.... hell yea id vote for him but only if moe was vp

[enRo]

Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah

Anything's better than Bush!

Ahhh, so ur a "tree trunk" kinda guy

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyKane

Ahhh, so ur a "tree trunk" kinda guy

he has to be, that is as far up the tree as he can see. lol

i like how everything that is wrong with the country is getting blamed on bush. did anyone here pay attention is class when it was explained that congress/senate propose and vote on laws and policy and the pres jsut gets to sign it, and if he refuses they just vote again and tell him to shove it.

the president is 99% figure head in this country. if you wanna find someone to blame for ****in things up call your senator/congressman.

[JL8Jeff]

Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah

Anything's better than Bush!

Gee, you mean like Clinton or Al Gore! Puuuullllleeeaaase. People have jumped on the "blame George Bush" bandwagon right now because it's easier to blame him for everything wrong in this world than to actually find out what the problem is. If Al Gore was in office, none of us would be driving F-body's. I gaurantee that the next president will get beat up just as bad as Bush because this country is more efffed up right now than ever before. The terrorist attacks served their purpose and then add the "natural" disaster of having a major city below the water line and the country starts falling apart. My local gov't is more efffed up than any other part of NJ and it's all democrats. So it doesn't matter what party is running things right now, we're all screwed! So hell yeah, Curly for President!8)

[Savage_Messiah]

I actually blame the electoral college, since he never won majority vote in his first election. And fine, if not just Bush, than the whole f'ing warmongering administration.

Give me one good, valid reason why we needed to repeat vietnam in Iraq.

[WayFast84]

Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah

Give me one good, valid reason why we needed to repeat vietnam in Iraq.

Oil?

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah

Give me one good, valid reason why we needed to repeat vietnam in Iraq.

iraq is not a repeat of vietnam. anyone who makes or believes that it is clearly has little/no understanding of the political conditions that lead to the vietnam mess.
the reason we are in iraq and the rest of the middle east is simple. all those people who wandered the globe openly hating americans finally decided to bring the fight to us. they attacked and killed thousands of innocent people on our home soil.
this is completely unacceptable and has been met with the appropriate response.
do i believe in war as a solution to political problems? NO
do i like knowing that so many sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, and friends are at terrible risk? NO
do i believe that americans have the right to live without having to fear what some thirdworld retard is gonna blow up next? YES

americans have always taken pride in protecting themselves from an offensive postition. even a glance at history makes that clear. so why is it such a problem when we are doing it this time?

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

iraq is not a repeat of vietnam. anyone who makes or believes that it is clearly has little/no understanding of the political conditions that lead to the vietnam mess.
the reason we are in iraq and the rest of the middle east is simple. all those people who wandered the globe openly hating americans finally decided to bring the fight to us. they attacked and killed thousands of innocent people on our home soil.
this is completely unacceptable and has been met with the appropriate response.
do i believe in war as a solution to political problems? NO
do i like knowing that so many sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, and friends are at terrible risk? NO
do i believe that americans have the right to live without having to fear what some thirdworld retard is gonna blow up next? YES

americans have always taken pride in protecting themselves from an offensive postition. even a glance at history makes that clear. so why is it such a problem when we are doing it this time?

um...come again... Al Queda and Bin Laden attacked America. Most hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, was there even one that was from Iraq? yet Saudi Arabia is still around and kicking. Why do people always confuse "war on terrorism" and war in iraq? i mean wasnt Bush the one who was preaching about WMDs that iraq doesnt have anymore. and if WMDs were the case why not attack North Korea they are far more unstable and ACTUALLY posses the damn thing. There's always China and they are communist, and as i learn in HS all communists are evil. And then there's my country that just several months ago increased its nuke production by about 200%. Oh and you cant forget that we (russia) supply Iran with all the "bad stuff" altho at the same time we sell weapons to Israel so they can kick the **** out Iran when the light finally drops. There's also India that has been buying all Russian weapons for years and does have WMDs too - however i cant come up with nothing bad about Indians so ill leave them alone. So umm...how come those countries are OK to have WMDs and others arent?

ohh BTW im not an anti-war hippie, i was all for the war in Afganistan cuz there was an actual cuz for it but war in Iraq is just a joke. Daddy couldnt finish the job so the son had to step in. Oh and please dont tell me what happened with kurds billion years ago. Any of the countries ive mentioned above have done pretty much the same yet they are still there. ok now someone feel free to enlighten me without locking this thread.

[NJSPEEDER]

al queda's primary leadership, bin laden and others, were based in iraq and the government was terribly unstable. currently the UN plan is to have an occupation force(about 85% US troops) patrol with and assist in the training of new military and police forces with in iraq.
currently the US is not a part of any military offensive in iraq, only police actions under the shared direction of the UN and the iraq government.

you just made another on eof my favorite stupid statements. what does w have to do with his dad? did america get attacked on it's own soil under george sr's administration?
sr took action based on a 40 year old treaty with the government of kuwait to offer mutual aid in time of conflict. the treaty invovled the US, kuwait, united arab emerites(sp?), and iran. that is why the us troops stopped at the iran/iraq border.

china is not an immediate threat to the US, and have not politically shown any desire to become one. so we don't have to worry about them right now. although i am sure the US government is keeping an eye on them.

as far as who supplies arms to whom, who cares. at some point the US government has supplied arms to nearly every nation in the world, including the swiss. the soviet union has taken the lead in this department since it's collapse as it opened up a massive supply of cheap weapons to the world market.
not that it makes much fo a difference who gives the weapons out. because we all know there is someone somewhere who can deliver anything for a price.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

al queda's primary leadership, bin laden and others, were based in iraq and the government was terribly unstable.

um..wrong chief, where are you getting this stuff from. After Bin laden was exiled out of Saudia Arabia and given (after being disowned) a substantial sum of money by his family, who are billionaires and have nothing to do with terrorism, he went to Afganistan and not Iraq. You might also recall that that Afganistan had all the training camps for his "soldiers" and they were protected by Taliban who pretty much took over Afganistan after Soviet-Afgan war. Saddam would've slaughtered Taliban just he annialated any other group he disliked or that he thought was threat to his rule. During on of many stupid Bush's speaches he tryed to say that Al queda was somehow in iraq but that was BS just like WMDs.
ninjaedit* you might remember during the war in afganistan most al queda people ran across the border to pakistan - it would be kinda hard to jump from iraq to pakistan....

you just made another one of my favorite stupid statements. what does w have to do with his dad? did america get attacked on it's own soil under george sr's administration?
sr took action based on a 40 year old treaty with the government of kuwait to offer mutual aid in time of conflict. the treaty invovled the US, kuwait, united arab emerites(sp?), and iran. that is why the us troops stopped at the iran/iraq border.

that was one of my personal attacks on bush, i have no proof why he attacked iraq. but its not because of WMDs or terrorists (well besides saddam, he killed everyone else).

china is not an immediate threat to the US, and have not politically shown any desire to become one. so we don't have to worry about them right now. although i am sure the US government is keeping an eye on them.

My point about China was more about them having Nukes but no one really cares. Just like India, Russia and some other Euro countries have them but nothing is ever said about them.

You still havent said anything about North Korea, i thought they were axis of evil are they were not allowed on the face of the earth - or did i misunderstood almighty Bush?

as far as who supplies arms to whom, who cares. at some point the US government has supplied arms to nearly every nation in the world, including the swiss. the soviet union has taken the lead in this department since it's collapse as it opened up a massive supply of cheap weapons to the world market.
not that it makes much fo a difference who gives the weapons out. because we all know there is someone somewhere who can deliver anything for a price.

well tree huggers care, i dont

[Brando56894]

ahh so now this is turning into another politcal thread huh?? plain and simple the american government is a bunch of ****ups

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by Brando56894

ahh so now this is turning into another politcal thread huh?? plain and simple the american government is a bunch of ****ups

nahh just trying to educate public about that there was no al-queda in Iraq during saddam era and they were never based in Iraq. there's now tho.

well among other things.
i enjoy talking about history, well war parts

[JL8Jeff]

Al-queda was in Iraq as well as Afghanistan. They found multiple terrorist training camps in northern Iraq along with traces of chemical weapons. The problem with our country is that people won't take a stance on anything. If we did nothing to retaliate, people would have complained about a lame duck gov't. But Bush did the right thing by going after them and of course everyone complains that we shouldn't be there. Saddam was already proving he was a junior Hitler by systematically killing off certain ethnic groups. He used chemical weapons on his own people in the Iran/Iraq war. As part of the United Nations we can not sit back and allow this to happen. But most of the UN has no backbone and ran away scared. So vote for Curly and vote often!

[NJSPEEDER]

i seem to remember several of bin ladens press clips claiming to be from iraq and i know that several of his top ranking officials have been tagged in iraq as well as afganistan.
i don't think he matters much at this point. if he is still alive, he has no place to train troops, no government is willing to hide him, and not many people are willing to follow him anyway.

saddam was pretty much a pussy, he only dominated social groups. he never defeated a single organized military group. the taliban would have pwned his ass from the sound of the bell. superior weapons, superior training(thanks in part to US funding under the ronny raygun administration), and the willingness to die for their cause would have left saddam and his bitch army crying for momma.

[WayFast84]

Just to get this straight...


America>all

edit,

tim I dont car what any one says! osama bin ladden does matter! capturing ossama would make alot of people happy! I may be a little touchey about this because my neighbor died in the attacks! It just puzzles me how hes not first on the fbi most wanted list!!

[Ian]

because the FBI only deals with matters inside our borders. anything outside is CIA...

[Tsar]

So um...not trying be a dick but show me where it says that al-queda was founded in Iraq? you can trace al-queda to soviet-afgan war and it was "founded" shortly after in afganistan. When first gulf war happen bin laden offered "help" thats about it. maybe its some new info im encountering but i doubt it...

as far as taliban owning iraq - no way jose. taliban used old soviet scrap metal and toyota trucks with rocket launchers most of the time... i mean iraq wasnt much better with their 3 plane airforce but they just had more bullets. both are pretty pathetic compared to any real army. what taliban training are u talking about, alot of them were 15 year olds with ak-47s running around behind their dads thats about it

as far as clips go, he claims to be all over the place - i saw pictures of him in GB when he was young and Russia among other things. but that was before 2001. Before the whole sep. 11 thing happen you could actually search for useful info about Bin Laden family.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by WayFast84

Just to get this straight...


America>all

edit,

tim I dont car what any one says! osama bin ladden does matter! capturing ossama would make alot of people happy! I may be a little touchey about this because my neighbor died in the attacks! It just puzzles me how hes not first on the fbi most wanted list!!

ahh kids.... stay away from grown up talk.