Porsche Says BS to GT-R times..And Proves It

[BigAls87Z28]

There’s something very puzzling about Nissan’s all-new GT-R supercar. Its official output figures read 480hp (358kW) and 588Nm (434lb-ft) of torque and its mass registers at 1,723kg, but the car can still outrun the 911 Turbo around the notorious Nurburgring by a healthy margin despite the Porsche weighing less and producing more torque (1633kg and 457lb-ft respectively).

Nissan’s official lap time for the Nurburgring is a blistering 7m 29s, set back in May. The lap times were for a stock-standard base specification GT-R fitted with the same Japanese market tires as the cars in showrooms, according to claims by Nissan.

Porsche, however, claims Nissan falsified these numbers and posted the quicker times because of semi-slick race-style tires. The German sports carmaker even purchased its own GT-R and set about testing it against both the 911 Turbo and GT2 and in both cases it claims the GT-R was the slowest. The laps were run by one of Porsche’s chassis development engineers and not its regular tester, former world rally champion and race winner Walter Rohrl.

Speaking with Australia’s CarsGuide this week, Porsche’s 911 product chief August Achleitner said the GT-R used by Nissan to post its official times could not have been a regular series production car.

He said Porsche took a standard GT-R bought in the United States and running on regular road tires, and was tested on the same day as the pair of 911s. According to Porsche, the GT-R posted a time of 7m 54s, with the 911 Turbo managing 7m 38s and the GT2 getting down to 7m 34s.



I dont have the link, im at work and cant copy the url.

[Tru2Chevy]

What site did you find that on? I'll find and post the URL.

And I'm sure there will be plenty of people crying foul because it was a Porsche employee driving the GT-R in their tests.

I did find this: http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/mo...t_nurburgring/

- Justin

[slugger27nj]

Here it is:

http://www.motorauthority.com/porsch...lap-times.html

[sweetbmxrider]

those bastards. wonder where this will go.

[BigAls87Z28]

Thanks Steve.
Yeah, Porsche was sick and tired of the 911 Turbo bashing.
So if this is true...the Z06 and ZR1 are faster then the GTR.
ZR1 MUCH faster then the GTR. 30 sec faster.

[SteveR]

haha thats funny. I'm sure Nissan will cry about it, but their car is ugly anyway

[V]

i saw a real Skyline GTR the other day in paterson, almost crashed my parents minivan as i stared at it in the side mirror. sexy car

[12secondv6]

But, if the porsche employee went quicker in the gtr.... would porsche REALLY admit it is faster?

Come on.... get over it and move on.

I would not buy a car based off lap times.

[69BirdX]

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[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by 12secondv6

But, if the porsche employee went quicker in the gtr.... would porsche REALLY admit it is faster?

Come on.... get over it and move on.

I would not buy a car based off lap times.

Porsche would have kept it quite and figured out why. lol

Porsche does employee one of the larger staffs of test drivers you will find, all with experience in the upper reaches of European racing. If anyone's factory test drivers were going to get it all out of a production car, I would put it up to the Porsche guys.

-Tim

[JerzyIroc]

ya im sorry but from the first test i read i knew there was something fishy. not to say its not a great car because it is. but its not the porche z06 killer that they're making it out to be. whats even more pathetic is when magazines do a performance test between the gtr and other high end cars, LOOSES in literally every single category yet somehow won the comparison test?

[BigAls87Z28]

James, you of all people should know the Germans well.
First off, they were not happy that people keep tagging the GTR as some 911 Turbo beater.
If they did sand bag the GTR, they would be easily picked off by Nissan or any other outside 3rd party testing saying that Porsche is now scared of a lonely Nissan.
Porsche took a big ass leap of faith by buying a GTR and testing it.

The Germans dont do anything without a plan. And had that GTR smoke the hell out of the 911 Turbo or GT2, they would have spent the next 100 days develping a better 911, better then the upcoming one that is much better then the one they just tested the GTR against.
Germans dont just do **** without a procedure. They found out that Nissan is overrated, no surprise there. 300ZX TT anyone?

[BigAls87Z28]

And to put it into reference...

The CTS-V did .01 slower then the GTR's time done by Porsche.
Camaro SS is closer to the GTR then the GTR is to the ZR1.

[NJSPEEDER]

I will have to wait and see what a magazine can do with it before I jump to too many conclusions. Nissan does currently use the highest tech stability control in any passenger vehicle in the world, co-developed with Bosch, just based on that I am betting it isn't slow.

-Tim

[Frosty]

...did the article talk about people blowing up the GTR transmissions already?

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

They found out that Nissan is overrated, no surprise there. 300ZX TT anyone?

Now I am not anti-foriegn or anti-Japanese in any way but I've never been impressed with any of their cars in stock form- most, if not all of them have been overratted. NSX, S2000, Supra, WRX, 3000GT, 300ZX, 350Z, g35, that whole crowd.

I've never seen a GTR so that isn't on the list...YET.

[Mulletbird]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

Now I am not anti-foriegn or anti-Japanese in any way but I've never been impressed with any of their cars in stock form- most, if not all of them have been overratted. NSX, S2000, Supra, WRX, 3000GT, 300ZX, 350Z, g35, that whole crowd.

I've never seen a GTR so that isn't on the list...YET.

Don't get me wrong, lots of those import cars are great in individual areas (datsuns are awesome handling cars, the supra TT has straight line power, 300zx imo looks cool w/ t-tops, wrx and evo are street-versions of rally cars) but none of them have ever excelled across the boards in any way like a z06 vette or porsche 911gt does. Even their super cars (rx7, nsx, 3000gt, gtr) have never kept up with the competition in terms of street cars - now, with modifications, like anything (i.e. geo w/ gnx motor) they can be fast, and "anything's possible" but in terms of stock, def. agree.

[Jersey_TA]

OH SNAP!!!!

[trashman01]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

J They found out that Nissan is overrated, no surprise there. 300ZX TT anyone?

not to mention they are a bitch to work on

[Knipps]

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...ID=57410&vf=12

Update..

Nissan has hit back at suspicions raised by Porsche this week that the record Nurburgring lap time set by the GT-R supercar was achieved in anything other than a standard showroom-specification car.

The matter has reached top brass at Nissan, with its European spokesman at the Paris motor show today confirming the matter has gone ''quite high'' up in the company.

A senior Porsche engineer, August Achleitner, who supervises the development of all 911 sports cars, sparked controversy when he told Australian journalists at the launch of the new 911 Targa in Verona, Italy, this week that they were unable to replicate the record 7 minute 29 second lap time that Nissan claimed the GT-R set in April.

In the hands of a Porsche chassis engineer, the GT-R was 20 seconds slower than a 911 GT2 and 16 seconds slower than a Porsche 911 Turbo.

Achleitner questioned whether the GT-R was running a standard set-up on road tyres or perhaps something more track-oriented.

“Quite simply we're not going to get into a war of words with Porsche,” said Nissan's European spokesman Neil Reeve. “The final word from us is that it was done on absolutely standard tyres which are available to customers in the showroom.They're not trick tyres – absolutely standard tyres, normal road tyres.

“The GT-R comes with Bridgestone and Goodyear (Dunlop). One tyre gives slightly better times around the 'Ring.

“We did it on Dunlop. They're available with the car,” he said.

He was at a loss to explain the disparity over the lap time differences.

“I don't know, honestly I can't explain. I don't think it's for us to explain how they didn't match our time,” Mr Reeve said.

“We absolutely maintain (that) Tochio Suzuki - the chief test driver on the GT-R program pounded thousands of laps - he got to know every inch of Nurburgring (circuit) and how the car performs on the Nurburgring and hence set that fabulous lap. More than that, I can't speculate. I can't explain why they couldn't match the time.”

“We maintain that ... nothing special was done to the car.”

He conceded that the controversy might play on the minds of potential GT-R buyers. Fast lap times of the famous 21-kilometre German circuit are increasingy being used by car companies for bragging rights over performance and engineering prowess.

“The people who'd buy a GT-R or 911 Turbo are not the type of people to make a purchase like that lightly. They going to do an incredible amount of research, they're going to read every single road test that's available in every magazine which is on the internet and they're going to draw their own conclusion. Will it put doubt in their mind? They might find it surprising. In our experience in Europe, the GT-R has widely matched, at least, if not beaten, the 911 Turbo on various track tests. They can draw their own conclusions.

“We think its performance speaks for itself,'' he said.

Reeve wouldn't rule out the possibility of a rematch for the world to see.

“We're considering our options. We're not saying more than that,” he said.

“This (Porsche's questioning of Nissan's claim) happened two days ago, it was a surprising thing to read in the press, it's important.

“But let's not blow it out of all proportion. We're not crying about it. We're not going to sook about it.

“I'm cheeky enough to say it's flattering that Porsche have bought themselves a GT-R and flown it to Germany, they want to try it. I guess that's some kind of stamp of approval.

“It's great to have the competition. We're absolutely proud of the GT-R. It's a fabulous sports car, really epic.

“The level of performance that it delivers is really so impressive for the price it's positioned at,” he said.

[NJSPEEDER]

Yeah, that reeks of BS. One set of street tires magically knocking off nearly half a second over another? Yeah right, maybe if it was from a regular tire to a DOT race tire.

I bet everyone that bought one of those cars for it's performance is seriously starting to question what they were sold.

[bubba428]

HAHA Nissan is scared of porshe...and they damn well should be...

[NJSPEEDER]

I don't think Nissan really has nothing to fear from Porsche. Both companies have amazing racing histories and both will continue. This is truely Nissan's first trip into the realm of the realm of super car performance though. It doesn't look like it is turning out the way they wanted it to be or appear. Hopefully they will learn from it and turn out a real supercar that isn't butt ugly next time.