BD diesel performance... good? bad?

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I'm gonna be buying some stuff to bolt onto my dodge ram soon and i was thinking about buying some BD products. Summit sells them and their web site is www.dieselperformance.com. Has anyone ever used any of their products? opinions?

Right now i'm just looking at their fuel stop plate and governor for my 96 12v.

stock ratings are 180hp and 420ft/lbs
after pump kit... 270hp and 675f/lbs

Then im looking at a 5" turbo back exhaust too, but not sure which brand yet.
They say stock 96-98 automatics need modifications to handle torque... yea, ill kiss my trans goodbye now, lol.

[WildBillyT]

Have you looked at Banks stuff?

[1QWIKBIRD]

Don't overpay for BD stuff. The stuff might perform just fine, but I think they charge a premium for their stuff.

Go to www.turbodieselregistry.com It is all dodge cummins all the time. It's a pay to play site if you want to post or look at past archives and such, but its so full of good info and what trouble spots to look for its worth the $35 a year.

Check out http://www.tstproducts.com/ and look for fuel plates. These guys originated the fuel plates and most others are copies of them.

or go to Piers Diesel Research

http://www.pdrdiesel.com/

Geno's garage for other stuff

http://www.genosgarage.com/departments.asp?dept=2

Be careful with upgrading the fuel plate....too much fuel and you'll cook a stock tranny or stock clutch.

I did a TST #11 plate in the stock position along with AFC springs and what a difference. Way more power, same or better fuel economy and my stock clutch with 202,000 holds just fine. Don't do any fuel mods till you have guages for boost, pyro and tranny temp (if automatic). Last thing you want is to melt down the motor.

I want to do the governor springs next so i can spin it to 3,000 rpm and then maybe I'll slide the fuel plate full forward

Chris

[camaroracer1992]

dont waste your money on banks, way overpriced for the results. I'd go PPE if you can

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Originally Posted by camaroracer1992

dont waste your money on banks, way overpriced for the results. I'd go PPE if you can

I agree...way too much coin for the returns......at least in the Dodge 12v world anyway.

[1QWIKBIRD]

Originally Posted by SmokingSS

I'm gonna be buying some stuff to bolt onto my dodge ram soon and i was thinking about buying some BD products. Summit sells them and their web site is www.dieselperformance.com. Has anyone ever used any of their products? opinions?

Right now i'm just looking at their fuel stop plate and governor for my 96 12v.

stock ratings are 180hp and 420ft/lbs
after pump kit... 270hp and 675f/lbs

Then im looking at a 5" turbo back exhaust too, but not sure which brand yet.
They say stock 96-98 automatics need modifications to handle torque... yea, ill kiss my trans goodbye now, lol.

I think if the tranny goes, you are looking at in excess of 3500-4000 to have it redone and done right (including converter)....just so you know.....

Chris

[V]

ah ok, these responses are exactly what im looking for.
i dont really care about the trans much, ill put a fully built one in after deployment.
I just dont wanna damage the motor. Should i just start with a turbo back exhaust and intake setup for now, and then get into it really after deployment with injectors, fuel pump plate, governor springs, etc?


btw...the truck is a 96 2500, 12Valve, 69k miles on entire truck, trans rebuilt at 40k already.

i want the truck to be fast, not quick for a diesel, i want fast


and for some laughs heres a picture of my truck... for the most part it looks wont change, just its power. lol.... can we say sleeper...

[camaroAL]

bd, didnt like it at all on a dodge.

[1QWIKBIRD]

Originally Posted by SmokingSS

ah ok, these responses are exactly what im looking for.
i dont really care about the trans much, ill put a fully built one in after deployment.
I just dont wanna damage the motor. Should i just start with a turbo back exhaust and intake setup for now, and then get into it really after deployment with injectors, fuel pump plate, governor springs, etc?


btw...the truck is a 96 2500, 12Valve, 69k miles on entire truck, trans rebuilt at 40k already.

i want the truck to be fast, not quick for a diesel, i want fast


and for some laughs heres a picture of my truck... for the most part it looks wont change, just its power. lol.... can we say sleeper...

I'd do the exhaust and put a free flowing open element type air filter on it and get some gauges if you have them already. You aren't going off road so excessive dirt and mud aren't really a concern. To protect the open element from water and heavy dirt pick up an outerwears sock.

http://www.outerwears.com/

For an air filter, most guys pick up a big cone style open element and just run that in place of the factory air box. See the attached pick. And its pretty cheap mod, $40-80 depend on who's filter you go with.

I run an AMSOIL universial open element with a sock and have no problems.
Its cleanable, but you don't have to oil it and all that crap. I just get the shop vac out, it cleans up and goes right back into service. The outwear sock keeps all the heavy stuff off.

Don't run a K & N filter. Guys don't seem to have good results and they sometimes collapse under high boost.

Do a google search on BHAF (Big Honking Air Filter) and Dodge and it'll return all kinds of info

You will get more turbo wine in the cab, but that's a bonus as I see it.

As for injectors, delivery valves and bumping the timing up; I'd talk to one of the companies mentioned. I haven't done any of that yet, so I can't offer any guidance.

I dealt with TST and they were good people and educated me on my purchase. In doing lots of reading, most guys go (looking for big power) with a #10 plate, #00 plate or a combo of the two commonly referred to as a #100 plate. All of those plates are pretty aggressive in their fueling and over time will burn up a stock automatic or take out the stock clutch. Figure out how much towing (and how heavy) you plan on doing, because that will figure in also as you start feeding more fuel. More fuel = more heat. Don't want to melt the engine down.

I wanted the #10 plate but didn't want to risk having to put in a $1300 clutch, so I stepped back to the #11.

You also want to look into the KDP (killer dowel pin). If this fails it can take out the motor. Google KDP Cummins Dodge. Get this fixed too and don't use the jig method, take the front cover off the motor and tab the KDP. With the cover off you can check/locktite all the other gear case bolts while you are there. Took me about 5 hours to do taking my time. All the companies mentioned sell a kit.

I'd worry about the fueling mods after deployment, get the exhaust, air filter, gauges, KDP tabbed. Then when you get back, do the homework and see what fueling mods you want.

Chris

[SteveR]

If you're looking to make that 5.9 move, I can put you in contact with some very good people.

[V]

By summer 2010, i want consistant mid 12s out of it, and still looking like that.
Whatever it takes to get there, will be acceptable. hehe.
But like i said, most will be done after deployment, thats when ill have a bit of money to play with.

[GP99GT]

thats faster than your camaro

[V]

Originally Posted by GP99GT

thats faster than your camaro

the SS isnt done yet. It got quite a bit of weight reduction with no more stereo, plus tune has improved some, and next time out, itll probably have a CF driveshaft and a 9" on slicks.

As for towing, i only tow occasionaly with it. and then its usually just a open car trailer with some type of sports car. Eventually ill get an enclosed trailer for my SS and thatll be my tow vehicle for that. But once again itll tow it maybe 4-5 times a year.