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08-23-2009, 01:08 PM
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Free speech, not so free anymore?
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/21...s-the-courage/
If deemed to "political" so be it.
Just seems strange to me...
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repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
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08-23-2009, 01:14 PM
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its a double standard. you can make fun of bush because he's a bumbling idiotic redneck but the minute you go to make fun of obama you get called a racist. lets hope this thread stays on point. its a thin line
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08-23-2009, 01:20 PM
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to keep this thread in line i won't reply 
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08-23-2009, 01:28 PM
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Its not even really political, its just sad that things like this are not acceptable.
The government should fear the people, not the other way around.
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Originally Posted by KirkEvil
repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
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08-23-2009, 01:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ShowSomePromise
Its not even really political, its just sad that things like this are not acceptable.
The government should fear the people, not the other way around.
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way to quote a movie 
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08-23-2009, 01:31 PM
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Hardly, you should read more and rely less on movies.
Thomas Jefferson said that I believe.
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Originally Posted by KirkEvil
repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
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08-23-2009, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon
way to quote a movie
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What better movie to quote?
Beneath this mask there is more than flesh. Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof.
btw Thomas Jefferson said "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen
dumbass.
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Last edited by Knipps; 08-23-2009 at 01:33 PM.
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08-23-2009, 01:33 PM
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quoted for truth from the article
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"People are angry over the takedown. There are lots of pictures mocking President Bush on a Time Magazine cover on Flickr that haven’t been removed. And of the Heath Ledger Joker character."
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08-23-2009, 01:34 PM
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The internet is still like the wild west in terms of the laws regarding to it. Its still young, and the not many cases are made it to the supreme court for constitutional interpretation. I think in the next 5-10 years, you will see a lot more cases related to free speech and the internet hit the Supreme Court.
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08-23-2009, 01:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Knipps
What better movie to quote?
Beneath this mask there is more than flesh. Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof.
btw Thomas Jefferson said "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
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matt quoted a movie
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08-23-2009, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon
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is it bad that this image alone or that movie makes me think of a member on this board just cause of his avatar during THE "buddy list"....???
haha
i wonder how billy is doing anyways... lol
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08-23-2009, 02:11 PM
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but seriously....whoaa the govt is going to bully people into removing images that they don't like.... like nobody saw that coming... i mean did any of you guys hear about that website that was enacted to make a list of people who had opposing views of those in power... hmm freedom of speech... they take taht away what else do we have???? <--- starting to make sense yet?
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Last edited by transmaro93; 08-23-2009 at 02:12 PM.
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08-23-2009, 02:15 PM
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You didn't get the memo? You're not allowed to say anything negative about The Messiah. If you do it'll be taken off of websites, your product deemed illegal or your store shut down. It's funny how the double standards work, but then again the media has also been neutral.  I'll stop there so the thread won't get locked(though it probably will anyway lol)
Knipps, GREAT quote.
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08-23-2009, 02:17 PM
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can i say my boss is an idiot?
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08-23-2009, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SmokingSS
can i say my boss is an idiot?
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Technically that'd be insulting The Messiah, any and all references to The Messiah's intelligence and/or job performance are prohibited. Please refer to your New World Order handbook, Section 237, subsection B(3).
Thank you,
The Management
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08-23-2009, 02:20 PM
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haha yea frosty i tried to keep it to the topic at hand my self.... but i think it will eventually get locked...
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08-23-2009, 02:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transmaro93
haha that pic is funny of powelle.... but seriously....whoaa the govt is going to bully people into removing images that they don't like.... like nobody saw that coming... i mean did any of you guys hear about that website that was enacted to make a list of people who had opposing views of those in power... hmm freedom of speech... they take taht away what else do we have???? <--- starting to make sense yet?
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The government did not take the picture or account down, flcker did saying it violated a copyright, and they were just protecting themselves from a possible lawsuit. The reasoning is believable.
The problem is that The Time magazine cover, Obama picture, and Joker features are NOT copyrighted. Also, to dig further, there are other pictures on Flcker using the Time magazine cover.
So, did Flcker take it down because it was inslusting to Obama, or because they're lawyers didn't do their homework? Did Flcker get a complaint about the photo, and that's why its taken down.
Photos get removed my every image hosting website. I don't see people complaining about that when it happens.
Do not blame the government on this one, its Flcker who took down the photos.
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08-23-2009, 03:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transmaro93
haha that pic is funny of powelle.... but seriously....whoaa the govt is going to bully people into removing images that they don't like.... like nobody saw that coming... i mean did any of you guys hear about that website that was enacted to make a list of people who had opposing views of those in power... hmm freedom of speech... they take taht away what else do we have???? <--- starting to make sense yet?
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the DMCA, or Digitial Millenium Copyright Act, had yahoo remove it. <- reading ftw
ridic
seriously, why so?
Last edited by sweetbmxrider; 08-23-2009 at 03:09 PM.
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08-23-2009, 03:14 PM
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this land is not the same land our mom and pops grew up on 
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08-23-2009, 03:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by madness410
this land is not the same land our mom and pops grew up on |
you have two dads?
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08-23-2009, 03:23 PM
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pops can be used singularly
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dumbass.
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08-23-2009, 03:36 PM
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hahah 2 dads..... hey cdacda ill admit your kinda right on what you said... i took it alittle out of context... but there really isnt any copy right infringements on the picture to be taken into account... lawyers have commented on that... i also read another article where a member of flickr was banned a few months back for commenting on some white house or airforce one photos (cant remember what the article said) probably because the comments weren't to their liking... now i can say he wasn't threatening because i never saw the comments but... you cant deny that the fed doesn't have the media sitting in their lap asking for lolly pops... and the internet is a for of media... you know there is ways for them to get things like this done with out having to have obama say hey i don't like that picture take it down.... that's where i was coming from....
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Last edited by transmaro93; 08-23-2009 at 03:37 PM.
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08-23-2009, 03:49 PM
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Yesterday Yahoo fired back at everyone who complained, saying that they were required to remove the image pursuant to a DMCA takedown notice. Flickr’s director of community Heather Champ says “In this intance, the Yahoo! Copyright Team here in the US received a complete Notice of Infringement as outlined by the DMCA (Digitial Millenium Copyright Act). Under the DMCA, an individual may choose to file a counterclaim”
She added “We very much value freedom of speech and creativity.”
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Yahoo (who owns Flickr) claims they received a copyright infringement notice, but doesn't say who it was received from. As the article points out, had they shown the image and complaint to their lawyers, they would have been told that it was perfectly legal, and they should leave the image alone. Sounds to me like the notice was just a very convenient excuse for them to take down an image that they don't agree with.
And to address the "this thread's getting locked" comments.....it will stay open as long as no partisan politics discussion comes up and every stays civil.
- Justin
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08-23-2009, 04:04 PM
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Just strange how the picture was all original and yet, it was just "removed".
Very weird to me.
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08-23-2009, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Tru2Chevy
Sounds to me like the notice was just a very convenient excuse for them to take down an image that they don't agree with.
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At least you and a few others get it. Where were the copyright infringement complaints for the last idiot we had in office?
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