Joe Paterno is gone as head coach of PSU - NJFBOA - Home of New Jersey's Camaros and Firebirds

BigAls87Z28 · 11-09-2011, 10:10 PM

Not sure if you guys are watching the news, but because of the kid-touching scandal, Joe Paterno has been removed as the head coach of PSU football.

Cliff notes: Asst Coach Sandusky was a massive kid toucher. At various points of his career, he was caught playing with kids. At some point it was brought to Joe Pa's attention, and he reported it, but nothing happened. The guy was still molesting kids as a PSU employee. So with that, there was a sweeping cut of all the leaders that knew about this.

Joe Paterno has been the head coach for PSU for as far back as I can remember. Guy was a God to the school and made PSU football what it is today. I am shocked to see how all this went down, but it had to happen.

BonzoHansen · 11-09-2011, 10:14 PM

Joe Paterno has coached Penn State for 64 seasons.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what he did. I sense the real facts are not public yet.

coolmanvette75 · 11-09-2011, 10:20 PM

Damn what a shame. He did nothing wrong and his final years as a legendary coach have been ruined...

BigAls87Z28 · 11-09-2011, 10:21 PM

It's what he didn't do. He didn't make a bigger deal out of the school not making a big deal of Sandusky. They were most likely trying to keep it on the DL, hoping that Sandusky would stop touching kids. It didn't happen. Paterno had full knowledge of what was going on, and while he told school officials, he didn't trumpet it from the mountain tops.

mc73nova · 11-09-2011, 11:32 PM

He should have been fired instantly. I don't care what kind of coach, history or legacy you have, there is no good excuse or explanation for not coming forward with information like that. I'm glad, everyone with any knowledge should be fired and even prosecuted. People's lives were ruined and even more so than necessary because they were too selfish to come forward. It is truly a pathetic group of people.

greenformula92 · 11-10-2011, 07:49 AM

while Joe Paterno has a long list of records, history, and good deeds towards the school he has become a casualty of association. While he did involve the head athletic director the school decided to handle the incident in house. how does that make it Joe Pa's fault. im sure he was told say anything and your out of here. the guy just wanted to retire on his own terms. im sure the school itself had a big role as how it was handled. should it have been handled bu the authorities, absolutely. but that wasn't Paternos fault

BonzoHansen · 11-10-2011, 08:03 AM

From what I have heard he did not see anything 1st hand. He was told by another coach. They then turned in that info to the school. There was also a police investigation that turned up nothing. My guess is this 70-ish year old man at the time wanted to believe in his friend and no one could prove anything. I could be rather wrong. I suspect the real facts are not out yet. Now, paterno seemed to rule the roost there and if he said jump they said how high, so he could have had the guy removed and did not. That is his downfall here I think, at least based on actual public knowledge at this point.

I suspect more facts will come out that will make joe p look worse, based on the penn state actions. although my experience with higher is ed is they are more ****ed up than governments. knee jerk worked out well for the duke lacrosse team.

WayFast84 · 11-10-2011, 08:04 AM

Screw that whole school. Everyone who knew should've been let go. I can't beleive people think its okay it wasn't brought to the police.

This isn't covering a coworkers back who had a lapse of judgement or screwed up this hiding a rape.

Edit if it was brought to the police and the investigation was inconclusive i take back what I said.

WildBillyT · 11-10-2011, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

It's what he didn't do. He didn't make a bigger deal out of the school not making a big deal of Sandusky. They were most likely trying to keep it on the DL, hoping that Sandusky would stop touching kids. It didn't happen. Paterno had full knowledge of what was going on, and while he told school officials, he didn't trumpet it from the mountain tops.

Yes. Exactly.

Regardless of how good a coach he was, or how much the people of Penn State loved him, or how people think he deserves to retire on his own terms, he and a myriad of others failed the victims in this case. That McQuery guy is a real weak spined guy I guess. Who goes to a football coach to report a rape? Curley and Schultz are apparently guilty of perjury under oath, too.

According to the official indictment he was never questioned by police about the incident, and according to PA state law they were all required to report this to the PA Dept of Welfare, which they did not.

On top of it all the cops out there look like a bunch of flat out morons. Expect a house cleaning there, too. He was caught showering with a young boy when he was a coach in 1998 and the detective just told him not to do it again...

Slow-V6 · 11-10-2011, 09:14 AM

I wonder if it were Paternos Grand kids that were molested would he have done things differantly? The Guy raped and molested 20 or more kids in Joe Paternos Facility and showers. Paterno knew of at least 2 acts and he did tell his boss but never followed up. Paterno was a God up there at Happy Valley. All he had to do is go to the police but instead he let PSU sweep it under the rug and let the Monster still have access to his facilities..

LS1ow · 11-10-2011, 09:45 AM

being a good coach and being a good human are 2 different things. that guy can coach as best and anyone else out there. but to hide what he hid, is just unacceptable.

this is the perfect for the "retire a hero, or stay long enough to be the villan" quote.

LS1ow · 11-10-2011, 09:48 AM

also, does anyone else feel they may have covered this up for this amount of time just to let JoePa get his historic win?

WildBillyT · 11-10-2011, 09:51 AM

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also, does anyone else feel they may have covered this up for this amount of time just to let JoePa get his historic win?

Doubt it. This investigation has been going on since earlier this year.

Jersey Mike · 11-10-2011, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

It's what he didn't do.

This is what everyone is saying. This is why they fired him & everyone is calling for an outrage.
You don't fire this man because he didn't go over the heads of his bosses. He reported it, he testified, he did what his job was to do. He did his job and is not guilty of any felonies; Paterno shouldn't have been fired. And at the end of the season, was going to retire. So you boot the man so you can save face & look good in front of the bloggers and keyboard warriors who are begging for drama?

If you're going to bring into question "What someone didn't do" in this situation, it shouldn't be Joe Paterno. How about saying "Wait, did the 28-year old Mike McQueary see this act, not interrupt it, turn around and go home?"

There's a difference between "I heard through the grapevine, but I'll report it to my higher-ups, because I didn't first-hand witness it," and "I saw this with my own two eyes, I'm reporting this to the police."

and folks, this happened in 2002.

NastyEllEssWon · 11-10-2011, 10:43 AM

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This is what everyone is saying. This is why they fired him & everyone is calling for an outrage.
You don't fire this man because he didn't go over the heads of his bosses. He reported it, he testified, he did what his job was to do. He did his job and is not guilty of any felonies; Paterno shouldn't have been fired. And at the end of the season, was going to retire. So you boot the man so you can save face & look good in front of the bloggers and keyboard warriors who are begging for drama?

If you're going to bring into question "What someone didn't do" in this situation, it shouldn't be Joe Paterno. How about saying "Wait, did the 28-year old Mike McQueary see this act, not interrupt it, turn around and go home?"

There's a difference between "I heard through the grapevine, but I'll report it to my higher-ups, because I didn't first-hand witness it," and "I saw this with my own two eyes, I'm reporting this to the police."

and folks, this happened in 2002.

i agree. he did what he was supposed to do. anyone that swept it under the rug after he reported it should be held responsible, not paterno.

Slow-V6 · 11-10-2011, 10:44 AM

So if Paterno knew about it why did he still let that coach use the facilities whenever he wanted? He reported it to his bosses but should have followed up to see what was happening unless they told him to sweep it un the carpet and dont worry about it. The Monster raped and sexually asualted 10 yr old boys in Joe Paternos showers and Joe Paterno knew about it. If you were the coach wouldnt you have done more then tell your bosses especially if you are the biggest named coach in all of PA? Doesnt he have a obligation as a Coach/Teacher to keep students and kids safe and to have a safe envioment for students to be in? Joe P put out a statement yesterday that in Hinesight he should have done more... Come on man.. this isnt a drunk driving incodent or a drug incodent this is your Defensive Coach raping a 10yr old boy in your own showers and looking back on it you should have done more about it? The Monster has been ordered buy the courts that he cant even see his own grandchildren yet as of 2 yrs ago he still had access to Joe Paternos Locker rooms..

BonzoHansen · 11-10-2011, 10:48 AM

I still think we only know 5% of the facts. I suspect the tentacles on this case will run much deeper.

WildBillyT · 11-10-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Slow-V6

So if Paterno knew about it why did he still let that coach use the facilities whenever he wanted? He reported it to his bosses but should have followed up to see what was happening unless they told him to sweep it un the carpet and dont worry about it. The Monster raped and sexually asualted 10 yr old boys in Joe Paternos showers and Joe Paterno knew about it. If you were the coach wouldnt you have done more then tell your bosses especially if you are the biggest named coach in all of PA? Doesnt he have a obligation as a Coach/Teacher to keep students and kids safe and to have a safe envioment for students to be in? Joe P put out a statement yesterday that in Hinesight he should have done more... Come on man.. this isnt a drunk driving incodent or a drug incodent this is your Defensive Coach raping a 10yr old boy in your own showers and looking back on it you should have done more about it? The Monster has been ordered buy the courts that he cant even see his own grandchildren yet as of 2 yrs ago he still had access to Joe Paternos Locker rooms..

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I still think we only know 5% of the facts. I suspect the tentacles on this case will run much deeper.

http://s3.documentcloud.org/document...ury-report.pdf

Here's the Grand jury report. Read it and see for yourself, and take notes on the dates. Also note that just because they worked together in the past does not automatically mean that everybody involved knew what was going on behind closed doors.

I am not saying Paterno was there cheering him on but I am certainly saying that he did not do enough. Even a single incident at this level should have been taken further, whether it was his offical responsibility or not. Plus he is the head football coach and allegations of sexual assault are going on in his locker room. People have certainly been fired for less. The fact that this was not a bigger deal with the police is deplorable.

Slow-V6 · 11-10-2011, 11:01 AM

Your right about not knowing it all but when Joe Paterno releases a statement saying that looking back he wished he would have done more then just telling his bosses that a 10yr old boy was raped in his lockeroom shower kinda made me sick and I think Joe Paterno is a horrible man.

Why is everyone blaming the guy that saw it happen saying he should have done more but yet he told his Boss ( head coach paterno) and everyone is saying that Paterno did nothing wrong? They both should have done more. Instead there are reports from as late as 2009 that this Monster still assualted kids in the Locker Room showers.

Slow-V6 · 11-10-2011, 11:04 AM

I am sorry. I tried reading that but cant.. It makes me sick..

WildBillyT · 11-10-2011, 11:05 AM

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Your right about not knowing it all but when Joe Paterno releases a statement saying that looking back he wished he would have done more then just telling his bosses that a 10yr old boy was raped in his lockeroom shower kinda made me sick and I think Joe Paterno is a horrible man.

Why is everyone blaming the guy that saw it happen saying he should have done more but yet he told his Boss ( head coach paterno) and everyone is saying that Paterno did nothing wrong? They both should have done more. Instead there are reports from as late as 2009 that this Monster still assualted kids in the Locker Room showers.

I am blaming that moron because:

A) He just walked away, apparently
B) His first call was to his father and then to Paterno
C) HE DID NOT IMMEDIATELY CALL THE POLICE
D) He was 28 years old at the time- way too old to not know what to do in this situation. Either he is a brainless idiot or he was trying to protect someone.

Who the hell doesn't call the cops after witnessing a rape?

Unless, of course, it is a fake story...

Slow-V6 · 11-10-2011, 11:10 AM

At least 40 counts of Child sex abuse crimes for Sandusky and he is out on 100,000 bail which I guess he only had to pay 10% of that.. So for 10,000 he is out of jail..

WildBillyT · 11-10-2011, 11:12 AM

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At least 40 counts of Child sex abuse crimes for Sandusky and he is out on 100,000 bail which I guess he only had to pay 10% of that.. So for 10,000 he is out of jail..

$20 says he doesn't make it to prison.

Slow-V6 · 11-10-2011, 11:18 AM

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$20 says he doesn't make it to prison.

I hope so.. His trial got pushed back till December. I just saw that he has 6 adopted children. Wonder what they think? What a Monster this guy is.

LTb1ow · 11-10-2011, 11:27 AM

Wait, so guy who is guilty of molesting kids, is on trial, and this other guy was fired and is now just as bad?

Internet tough guys yo, we should prob just throw em both off a cliff, I heard from this one source that heard from this guy, who kinda knew the coaches brother, said that they both are bad.