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[NJSPEEDER]

it is definately somethign to consider. possibly a serious weight break for running the 6banger would work too.
one thing i would want to watch out for is a car like a TTA, the turbo'ed series1 3.8 is a powerful force and can handle plenty of boost to go fast. too big a weight break or power adder concession would swing this into a one car class very quickly.
as far as displacement limits in pure street, i woudl look around the 406 mark. rebuilt 400 gen1 sbc's are a very common hot rod swap. there are at least four members i can think of off the top of my head that have done it, and several more with 383 gen1 sbc's.

[project89]

thnx for the consideration tim,yeah the tta is a whole other animal.maybe kleave the tta cars in the same wiegth class as the v8 cars,and give only non tta engine v6 cars the diff min weight requirement.cause u cant consider an 2.8/3.1/3.4 4thgen 3.8 as powerfull as the tta 3.8 its juts an entirely diff engine

[radialtireking]

What are you considering complete street equiptment? I'll assume lights,wipers,and horn. Anything else? I think there needs to be a definite list in writing.

How about the full interior rule? Is a back seat needed? Most cars with roll bars/cages don't have them since they become pretty useless.

[Tru2Chevy]

You are pretty much on track with your assumptions, but I'm sure Tim will chime in with exactly what he was thinking of when he gets off of work.

- Justin

[NJSPEEDER]

i will work on getting a clear picture together of what we are looking to consider "full interior" and "street equipment" in the next day or two to post up.

also there is going to be a revision in the wording for power adders in hot street tonight for everyone to enjoy.

[project89]

agh anyideas on what to do with the v6 cars,to make them compeitive yet ?

[NJSPEEDER]

nothing yet. i am currently researching what other series have tried to level the playing field. most of what i am finding may not make you happy though, seems there is a lot of turbophobia when trying to balance a low displacement engine to an N/A V8.
i will let you know when we have something worth presenting.

[project89]

well just remeber the fastest an 3rdgen v6 turbo has ever gone is prolyl a lil faster then me.i think around 12.3-12.4 ish and the fastest 4thgen v6 car was like 11.89 but im unsure if it was turbo or nitrous,or both.
actually theres a nice class that nhra runs with na v8s and turbo 4/6 cyls.ill have to look in my rule book and find the pages for u maybe that could be of some help.it dosent matter to me whats done,as long as its fair

[NJSPEEDER]

Hot Street Update:
under the power adders section, the nitrous restriction had the words "single stage" added.

[ATVracer]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

Hot Street Update:
under the power adders section, the nitrous restriction had the words "single stage" added.

It says single stage plate kit.

I dont have a plate kit (I wish). All the other races I've been to they limit the number of noids.

If your going to limit the N20 guys you should have a limit on turbo and S/C size also.

[project89]

i like the turbocharger size limit rule.how about a rule that states say no single turbo to be larger then a t61 or eqiv,or twins no larger then 2 t04b or equiv(v6 cars).a rule like that would be very easy to inforce.also if an air to air intercooler is used,would a intercooler srayer still be able to be utilized,(co2 only) cause if u ruled that out u would also have to rule out iced intercoolers (making a tray for dry ice to be packed around the core) the biggest thing thats gonna hurt us v6 turbo guys is weight.were deff gonna need a lower weight then v8 cars.u could try out a simple set of turbo rules/wieght req for the start of the series and if it becomes a problem it could always be changed

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

Originally Posted by ATVracer

My car would fit into hot street and runs in the 9's.

I dont see any 3800 V6's coming close to that.

Could even run in pure street on the motor, runs 11.0-11.2 depending on weather.

an Fbody V6 with 1 power adder vs. an N/A V8 seems fair.

lol you do there are 3 3800 cars in the mid-high 9's and they are out trapping you and they are FWD cars

i only have one power adder i don think it would fair for against most NA V8's yes bored/stoked and/or heads cams V8's are differnt story

[project89]

fwd cars have better heads thogh right?i know the 3rdgen engines the fwd motors had much better flowing heads.same go for the 4thgen f-body 3.8 engines?

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

Originally Posted by lethalrides2k3

fwd cars have better heads thogh right?i know the 3rdgen engines the fwd motors had much better flowing heads.same go for the 4thgen f-body 3.8 engines?

the 3800 heads are all the same, but the 3800SC head have the injecotor boss in the head.... other then that they are the same and flow the same

untill ZZP puts out there AL heads these heads are about maxed as far as flow goes

[project89]

turbov6 got any ideas on rules to keep it fair between the v6 and v8 guys?

[NJSPEEDER]

turboV6, how prepped for the track is you car as far as suspension/tires and how much does it weigh?

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

Originally Posted by lethalrides2k3

turbov6 got any ideas on rules to keep it fair between the v6 and v8 guys?

tell the v8 guys to stop beging scared of a "little" V6


no really i say run the V6 see where they place go from there

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

turboV6, how prepped for the track is you car as far as suspension/tires and how much does it weigh?

i have MT DR's on FB rims

LCA's

and full weight car even spare tire for all my times

race wieght = 3465 minus my ~160

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by Turbo V6 Camaro

no really i say run the V6 see where they place go from there

can't happen that way. when we post up the rules as final they will remain unchanged until the end of the season. that has been a huge stumbling block of different series in the past, outdating their own competitors mid season.

if someone has an equitable answer that doesn't create class killers on either side i am all ears. so far i have only found a few examples of allowing V6's to run a power adder to hang with V8's, and they are all nitrous based.

[project89]

limit turbo size.cast iron heads only with turbo,no twin setups,1 charge cooler,.i.e air to air/water to air/methanol.no standalone engine management systems.u cant get any fairer then that

[project89]

what else could u do,there would already be no elctronics,no slicks,must be street legal,and have full interior.
and prohibit dual stage boost controlers

edit turbov6 whats a nominial size turbo for the 3.8 guys a t61 right?

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

Originally Posted by lethalrides2k3

what else could u do,there would already be no elctronics,no slicks,must be street legal,and have full interior.
and prohibit dual stage boost controlers

edit turbov6 whats a nominial size turbo for the 3.8 guys a t61 right?

t61
60-1, 60-2

[NJSPEEDER]

hot street power adder rules revised again, further refined the nitrous rules.

[NJSPEEDER]

i have gotten two suggestions concerning pure street.
1. Exhaust: exhaust must exit behind the rear tires, the idea being that a lot of the faster, high dollar and shop cars that may qualify run turn downs before the axle.

2. V6 power adder: V6 cars can run a single bar nitrous plate, or single nozzle system with one fuel solenoid and one nitrous solenoid. also V6 cars can have a 100lbs weight break to help equalize the playing field.

i am still looking around for ways to make boosted 6bangers have a fair shotwithout becoming class killers, so stay tuned fo rmore on that. what do you guys think of these suggestions?

[project89]

sounds good but i dont think 100 pounds is gonna cut it