What would you guys do (car wise)?

[procamaroz28]

ok back on topic now... LS1 all day over lt1 b/c it will cost more than the diff to get the LT as fast... wow took 3 pages to get this far

[j0n]

Originally Posted by procamaroz28

ok back on topic now... LS1 all day over lt1 b/c it will cost more than the diff to get the LT as fast... wow took 3 pages to get this far

10k to spend...guy a buys an lt1 for 5k and dumps 5k into it. guy b buys an ls1 for 9k and spends 1k on it...you tell me who's at the finish line first...

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

For your purposes, a nitrous Lt1 would be perfect I think. Better, deeper sound, madd torque low, reliable motor, cheaper...Everyone has an ellis juan.

Originally Posted by CJDZ24_Z28

You are running the same times as LS1's? My SS with a air lid and headers ran consistant 13.1's at 112mph-114mph's. MY best ET with it when it was bone stock was 13.3@ 108
I would never diss the LT1's because i still think they look better than LS1 camaro's and it was the LT1 Camaro that made me love the F-bods so much. I also don't want to get anyone thinking the LT1 isn't all that reliable either. I had a 94 that had 183000 miles on it when i sold it and it was strong! But mod for mod, and also weight and easier to work on, the LS1 F-Body is the way to go

Get the facts before you make assumptions. my car runs faster than 13.1. and the only thing harder to do on the LT1 is the opti. which can be done in an hour. anything else? go with a LT1 youll be happy and be able to hit your goals without car payments

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Originally Posted by 86Formula

Get the facts before you make assumptions. my car runs faster than 13.1.

Im sure it does but I wouldnt say that til your actually run it ...Anti-rice-GUY not a fan of nos, if I do choose an fbody im gonna go Ls1 or just wait for the new one. I had a few modded LT1's already and im kinda tired of them now that I thought about it a bit more. A 4V stang are also still possibilities.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Ah, I see. I just figured they were saying you have a spend a lot of money to go 11s when you don't have to spend that much...

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Originally Posted by Anti_Rice_Guy

Ah, I see. I just figured they were saying you have a spend a lot of money to go 11s when you don't have to spend that much...

Yea If i was to do the LT1 thing again id go na heads/cam to acheive 11's not FI

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

My suggestion was cheaper, and we were talkin about price

Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyAntz

Im sure it does but I wouldnt say that til your actually run it ...Anti-rice-GUY not a fan of nos, if I do choose an fbody im gonna go Ls1 or just wait for the new one. I had a few modded LT1's already and im kinda tired of them now that I thought about it a bit more. A 4V stang are also still possibilities.

http://s222.photobucket.com/albums/d...rrent=josh.flv enough said

[Knipps]

Originally Posted by 86Formula

http://s222.photobucket.com/albums/d...rrent=josh.flv enough said

if you ran a 12.85 why not update your sig?

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Originally Posted by Knipps

if you ran a 12.85 why not update your sig?

yea thats why i said that...good runs man

Yea I looked at it and it probably wouldnt be cheper because more then likely the LT1 will be high miled and I would have to end up rebuilding ontop of getting a heads and cam to get where i want to be. Plus I would have to pay for labor seeing im far from a mechanic . Good runs 86formula I ran a 12.8 @109 in my old 01 6spd LS1 w/ a loudmouth & Lid.

[firehawk1120]

I actually do know snorman from T.R. i used to hang out with him and Mike 00ss and kenny h, and a few others I won't mention because of personal reason and not wanting them to see this and start posting here again.

If snorman went 12.6 on a street tire at Atco that is one thing. If you are talking about racing in the 1/4 mile to Ultimate orange with a 3400 TC, cammed, bolt on car I am going to have to say no way in hell. I have a similar car its an 02 with a 3600 TC, exhaust, and I went 12.2. that clearly is better then his 12.6. Now if you are talking on the street then yeah I can see snorman destroying him because I'm assuming it's supercharged. I'm not a mustang fan so I don't know.

Anyway my point has always been that in order for the stangs to claim their dominance over the LS1 they have to supercharge the car. They can't or at least couldn't make a stang that was even close to the LS1 N/A.

In that case why would I spend all the additional money on a stang when I can do basic mods on an LS1 and still be faster.

Not to mention if I know SNORMAN he probably did a few little tweeks and didn't tell anyone. He knows how to get good performance out of cars with very little change.

Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyAntz

Well aware of all that, and all the articles your referring to. Since you referrenced LS1tech, go look up a member named snorman from Toms River. Hes a member on most of the fbody boards along w/ stang boards. You may know him. He ran a 12.6@115 stock in a terminator right here in Atco. The cars trap proves the power differance in the two not a driver mod. Not sure what Ls1 is trapping anywhere near 115 bone stock, o wait there isnt any. He also raced a member named ultimateoranngess from eatontown(99 hugger SS) who had a stalled(believe 3400 @ the time), gear'd,LS6 cam'd, bolt on Ls1 car and detroyed him stock, they were also clean races. Im sure he posted that in the kill stories as well. Not here to start a flame thread, all I ever owned were camaro's but for you to say that its a drivers race is crazy. Now a bolt on Ls1 and a stock cobra might be a drivers race. Believe me there's plenty of Cobra owners that have ran near Evan Smith times without being professional drivers. It doesnt take the driver mod to get a 12 out of a termi. Most of the average drivers cut 12.8's or so. Both these cars have been out several years and anyway you look at it the Cobra is a 1/2 second faster stock on average and it only gets worse when the modding begins due to the FI @ forged Cobra motor. I understand this is an fbod board and there's bias people here(why should it be different then any other site) but thats no reason to dog the oppositions performance because of brand loyalty. Im sure you die hard fbody guys are tired of hearing this crap so im gonna end my part in this thread right here .

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Originally Posted by firehawk1120

If you are talking about racing in the 1/4 mile to Ultimate orange with a 3400 TC, cammed, bolt on car I am going to have to say no way in hell. I have a similar car its an 02 with a 3600 TC, exhaust, and I went 12.2. that clearly is better then his 12.6. Now if you are talking on the street then yeah I can see snorman destroying him because I'm assuming it's supercharged. I'm not a mustang fan so I don't know.

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Yea it was on the street in TR, but w/ Tony driving im not sure it would have made a difference . UltimateOrangess is far from the best driver seeing he has a TTP cam ,afr heads, Kooks LT's,373's,3600 stall now , and Id assume a ttp dyno tune and has only ran a best of 12.2 to date. We use to be good friends 5 or so years ago and I personally ran the car at Etown and it seemed to be on par w/ the other stock LS1's.

[procamaroz28]

Originally Posted by j0n

10k to spend...guy a buys an lt1 for 5k and dumps 5k into it. guy b buys an ls1 for 9k and spends 1k on it...you tell me who's at the finish line first...

you can pick up some nice LS1s for 7-8k id still take that over LT1 better motor and 1st mods i do is frame/ suspention if i get an lt1 i gotta do that and bolt on mods to get it to LSx level so 7-8k and they'll finish almost same (LT still a bit behind)

[WayFast84]

Ok, every time some on suggests something you change your mind, First you said, a 03/04 cobra went 12.43's stock, then ron said something and now your new time is 12.6. As much as you say you want an fbody, with all this arguing and proving your point about the cobra just get one already. Four pages of just going back and fourth..

[procamaroz28]

how about blower on my TA that definatly will smoke any terdinator

[j0n]

Originally Posted by procamaroz28

you can pick up some nice LS1s for 7-8k id still take that over LT1 better motor and 1st mods i do is frame/ suspention if i get an lt1 i gotta do that and bolt on mods to get it to LSx level so 7-8k and they'll finish almost same (LT still a bit behind)

My '95 trans am convertible was purchased for $5000 and went 12.700 with $2370 worth of mods at 3700lbs. That's the price tag of a beat-up stock ls1 and certainly quicker.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by j0n

My '95 trans am convertible was purchased for $5000 and went 12.700 with $2370 worth of mods at 3700lbs. That's the price tag of a beat-up stock ls1 and certainly quicker.

Do the later LS1 cars come with any other improvements? I understand the brakes are bigger (I could be misinformed). Anything else?

[Tru2Chevy]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

Do the later LS1 cars come with any other improvements? I understand the brakes are bigger (I could be misinformed). Anything else?

Aluminum driveshafts for most LS1 cars, and the camaros got way uglier than their LT1 counterparts

- Justin

[procamaroz28]

j0n thats definatly believeable but iv owned like 4 LT1s once i got into a m6 LS1 i fell in love, i know this can be fixed but for some reason the LT got incredible pick up but nothing to hold it up whereas the LS is great all around the tach. so if you can get around that, which u already did so you know what to do w/ an LT not every one spends mod money the same i would put that money first to making my car more rigid and handle better that wont make the LT beat an LS so thats why id get the better stock motor

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

Do the later LS1 cars come with any other improvements? I understand the brakes are bigger (I could be misinformed). Anything else?

I believe so, a common Lt1 mod is LS1 brake upgrade.