King of the Road that the Z06 Isnt on...

[cdacda13]

Originally Posted by Frosty

If you're saying that you can build a car from scratch, fabricate everything yourself and have it perform better and be as nice as a ZR1 or GTR with a warranty for 1/10th of the cost then I have some beach front property in Arizona to sell you at a really good price.

I see what you did there.

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by Frosty

That's such a ricer mentality. It's more than just handling and performance. It's the name, it's the overall quality of the car, it's the WARRANTY and dealer support.

You're failing to realize that you're taking a car(whether it be a Civic, Fbody etc) that's already built and taking parts that are already made/fabricated to make it perform better.

If you're saying that you can build a car from scratch, fabricate everything yourself and have it perform better and be as nice as a ZR1 or GTR with a warranty for 1/10th of the cost then I have some beach front property in Arizona to sell you at a really good price.

I don't see the perspective as completely "ricer", I think it more illustrates the point that different people are into different things.

I am sure that if anyone on the board felt like it they could take any muscle car or import, regardless of drive configuration, and run in both straight line and road course testing right along side the Corvette, the GTR, or any other top on vehicle. The dividing line is merely the check book required.

Warranties are nice, but many of us could really care less because we rarely leave a car alone for long anyway. I know people who have voided warranties on brand new cars with in an hour of picking them up.

I would really prefer a classic muscle car's styling over the late models. At the same time, I would love to have the loot to make an early 2nd gen bird handle and accelerate like a C6 Z06. It is taste, not hate.

[Frosty]

But to say the cars are just hype because someone can make "x" car faster is very much a ricer mentality. It's easy to throw $$$ at a car to make it perform but if you're buying a ZR1, GTR or hell even a base C6 it's not all about performance. If that was the case we'd all be driving clapped out Hon-duh civics with $20K dumped into saying the cars mentioned above are all junk.

So is a clapped out 11 second Civic nicer than a nicely done 2nd gen or a C6? Of course not because not everything is about performance. My buddy has the same mentality, his Z28 is a raging POS, he dumped gobs of $$$ into the drivetrain and that's it. It's multicolored, has power nothing, no AC, no interior AT ALL, no radio, manual steering, TH400 with 4.56 gears etc. He used to bust my balls because he took down my LS1 Z and my 'vette saying LS1's are overrated blah blah blah. At the end of the day I could drive my car anywhere, use the AC, listen to music, had 4 gears in my trans and didn't get 8MPG. So is my car better than his? That's objective, however it's sad that a 150 shot of giggle gas would put my car near his "race" car on the track.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

[ShadowHawk]

What's Ford gonna do when the ZR1 comes out?? Can you say "buh bye"?

Even the GT is going to be dust unless they step up.

On a side note has anyone seen anything on this new "launch control" setup on the GTR? It supposedly takes all the guess work and traction issues out of a dig. I'm half and half on it. It's pretty badass but it kinda takes the fun out of it. Could you consider it cheating?

[Frosty]

Dude the GT is dust with the current Z06, to hell with the ZR1

The launch control stuff is cool, there's A LOT of technology that went into the GTR, not really my thing but it's a cool car regardless.

[ShadowHawk]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Dude the GT is dust with the current Z06, to hell with the ZR1

The launch control stuff is cool, there's A LOT of technology that went into the GTR, not really my thing but it's a cool car regardless.

I agree, kinda too much out of my control. I was never a fan of drive-by-wire type dealy's. Takes the human error and fun element out. How can you learn yourself how to drive it the car does all the work?

I actually saw one in person on RT 1 right near me. Some yuppy scumbag driving like a total a$$hat. If there weren't traffic I'd have taken a crack at him with my car just to see what I could do against one.

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by Frosty

But to say the cars are just hype because someone can make "x" car faster is very much a ricer mentality. It's easy to throw $$$ at a car to make it perform but if you're buying a ZR1, GTR or hell even a base C6 it's not all about performance. If that was the case we'd all be driving clapped out Hon-duh civics with $20K dumped into saying the cars mentioned above are all junk.

So is a clapped out 11 second Civic nicer than a nicely done 2nd gen or a C6? Of course not because not everything is about performance. My buddy has the same mentality, his Z28 is a raging POS, he dumped gobs of $$$ into the drivetrain and that's it. It's multicolored, has power nothing, no AC, no interior AT ALL, no radio, manual steering, TH400 with 4.56 gears etc. He used to bust my balls because he took down my LS1 Z and my 'vette saying LS1's are overrated blah blah blah. At the end of the day I could drive my car anywhere, use the AC, listen to music, had 4 gears in my trans and didn't get 8MPG. So is my car better than his? That's objective, however it's sad that a 150 shot of giggle gas would put my car near his "race" car on the track.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

What I think you are missing is that not every car that people would like to upgrade goes the route of the tin-can turd with a fart cannon muffler. If you gave me the $60+k difference between what I paid for my car and a new Z06 I am confident I can put together a car that matches the performance and in many ways the subjective appearance advantages of the late models.

At the end of the day you can only spend the money you have to achieve the performance level you want. Since not everyone has the coin to plunk down on a Z06 or all the latest, shiny, internet hero go fast parts, they will pursue more economical routes than you may have chosen.

[Frosty]

..and that's fine Tim...hell I'd be driving a C6 right now if I had the coin. However, to say the newer cars are nothing but hype because you take a different CHEAPER car and make is faster is ridiculous.

Once I spray the piss out of the 'vette does that make my C5 is something special and C6's junk or "hype"? Of course not.

[BigAls87Z28]

ZR1 also has a launch control. Once the car detects that you are in a drag race, (that you are raising RPM's but holding onto the brake) the magnetic shocks put 100% of its force downwards to keep the wheels planted and allows you to take off like a bat out of hell.

[EchoMirage]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Dude the GT is dust with the current Z06, to hell with the ZR1

The launch control stuff is cool, there's A LOT of technology that went into the GTR, not really my thing but it's a cool car regardless.

not to mention using the GTRs launch control will void its much heralded warrenty.

[V]

Originally Posted by Knipps

you could take a Civic dump 100k into and beat both the GTR and Z06

....interesting...

[cdacda13]

You guys are missing the point of owning extremely expensive cars. Its the prestige associated with them. Sure, you could make an f-body, G-body, A-body, or any kind of kind stupid fast with tons of money. But being able to say that you drive a GTR or a ZR1 makes people think differently of you.
Also, they make your penis bigger.

[DevilDougWS6]

Originally Posted by Frosty

..and that's fine Tim...hell I'd be driving a C6 right now if I had the coin. However, to say the newer cars are nothing but hype because you take a different CHEAPER car and make is faster is ridiculous.

Once I spray the piss out of the 'vette does that make my C5 is something special and C6's junk or "hype"? Of course not.

i never stated anything was junk. i dont have a "ricer" mentality because I like building things and making them better than a big mass producing company can. its called my own warranty everyone has lost what a ricer really is, aimlessly throughing that term around is pretty ignorant. ricer mentality is more like: "hey they make hondas run 10s with a fart can, giant spoiler, and NAWWZZZ!"

and i think there is a bit more prestige in saying "i bought that 69 camaro in a junk yard with no motor or interior, now its beautful, runs 10.80s, and only cost me $20,000 to put together."

over saying
"yeah i paid $100,000 for this car that is ugly as sin but its a SKYLINE! GTR TYPE S!!!! DAWG!"

and i simply stated it was MY OPINION. hell if i had a money tree in my backyard Id buy a new vette or something...but today's society, IMO, doesn't give a **** about you, or me, everyone cares about themselves...you shouldn't even give a **** what other people think of you. people think that daddy bought my car and that "I think im hot ****" because I have a half decent car and am trying to prove something to people....thats complete crap! I bought the car with money I saved while working my ass off. And the only reason I bought it is because I love the way it looks, sounds, runs, etc. not to go driving around town saying "hey! look at me! Ive got money!"

we got more important things to worry about than that dumbass rich guys that spent all his money on a car.

[EchoMirage]

Originally Posted by Knipps

.. you could take a Civic dump

nuff said

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by DevilDougWS6

i never stated anything was junk. i dont have a "ricer" mentality because I like building things and making them better than a big mass producing company can. its called my own warranty everyone has lost what a ricer really is, aimlessly throughing that term around is pretty ignorant. ricer mentality is more like: "hey they make hondas run 10s with a fart can, giant spoiler, and NAWWZZZ!"

and i think there is a bit more prestige in saying "i bought that 69 camaro in a junk yard with no motor or interior, now its beautful, runs 10.80s, and only cost me $20,000 to put together."

over saying
"yeah i paid $100,000 for this car that is ugly as sin but its a SKYLINE! GTR TYPE S!!!! DAWG!"

and i simply stated it was MY OPINION. hell if i had a money tree in my backyard Id buy a new vette or something...but today's society, IMO, doesn't give a **** about you, or me, everyone cares about themselves...you shouldn't even give a **** what other people think of you. people think that daddy bought my car and that "I think im hot ****" because I have a half decent car and am trying to prove something to people....thats complete crap! I bought the car with money I saved while working my ass off. And the only reason I bought it is because I love the way it looks, sounds, runs, etc. not to go driving around town saying "hey! look at me! Ive got money!"

we got more important things to worry about than that dumbass rich guys that spent all his money on a car.

Wow, you went off in like 5 different directions in that post I was simply stating my opinion too. You said cars like the GTR and ZR1 are nothing but hype because you can build something faster for a tenth of the cost. That IS a ricer mentality because some of the kids that do have fast Hon-duhs and such think suddenly because they threw $$ at a car it's "better" than something that costs much more $$$. Tell me where I'm wrong?

I think everyone here(or almost everyone here) would love to take any Fbody and build it into their dream but suddenly a well built factory super car is hype? Please. More technology and R&D went into those cars than you could EVER build yourself.

Again, it's easy to take $40-60K and dump it into a car to make it beat a super car, but like I said you're taking an already built car, using already made parts and slapping something together. Just my opinion.

[DevilDougWS6]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Wow, you went off in like 5 different directions in that post I was simply stating my opinion too. You said cars like the GTR and ZR1 are nothing but hype because you can build something faster for a tenth of the cost. That IS a ricer mentality because some of the kids that do have fast Hon-duhs and such think suddenly because they threw $$ at a car it's "better" than something that costs much more $$$. Tell me where I'm wrong?

I think everyone here(or almost everyone here) would love to take any Fbody and build it into their dream but suddenly a well built factory super car is hype? Please. More technology and R&D went into those cars than you could EVER build yourself.

Again, it's easy to take $40-60K and dump it into a car to make it beat a super car, but like I said you're taking an already built car, using already made parts and slapping something together. Just my opinion.

i never said anything about throwing money at cars, i mean do like REAL gearheads do and do the research, find out what makes the car tick and build it from there. and no **** i could never do all tha research by myself, you obviously think im ignorant so **** off. I am not a little stupid child ricer boy like those kids you see hanging out at white castle.

and its called having the feeling of making something your own, you can say "I built it!" proudly. not throw **** together and hope it works. jeez. and most new cars are all hype, just look at the challenger, and the camaro! how long do you think the sales will be up with those? same goes for the higher end cars. our economy is so poor right now, buying super cool expensive cars should be the last thing on everybodies mind.

i may be wrong about the gtr and zr1 being hype...but who is really going to be able to afford those? a few people....gah i ****ing hate arguing on the internet its so gay. scared little kids hdie behind their keyboard on the internet. im done with this conversation. if you still think you are right then you are just ignorant. and if you think im a ricer because i like to build **** myself then you have some mental issues. that was my point all along. i RESPECT the R&D that went into these vehicles, but in the end none of that matters if you cant afford it, nor drive it.

[Frosty]

Dude, relax, we're having a discussion, holy Christ. I'd say the same thing to you in person, if you feel insulted by my words then grow some thicker skin or something. I never cursed at you, I just said what you said is a ricer mentality.

..and what the hell does the economy have to do with this discussion? LOL

[DevilDougWS6]

no, if i felt insulted id be at your door right now with my fist in your mouth. i just hate ignorant people that need to get their facts straight, but wont.

[Frosty]

LOL what? Whatever man, I guess you can take someone disagreeing with you

I'm not the ignorant one who said the ZR1 and GTR are hype cars, both of which would smack our cars silly in every possible way...but I'm the ignorant one.

We'll just agree to disagree, it's the internet, not need to get all bent out of shape and no need to act all big tough.

[JerzyIroc]

Originally Posted by DevilDougWS6

no, if i felt insulted id be at your door right now with my fist in your mouth.

dude.... seriously..


Anyway, what ive always loved about the american muscle cars and the sports cars is they've remained driver cars while everyone else has made robots. i mean ya fine the GTR is nasty but look at all the electronics the thing has. Same can be said about the other more expensive exotics. Critics always talk crap on the american sports car but at the end of the day its taking all that electronic crapolla to barely beat a car like the viper(non acr) or a vette which doesnt have all that electronic bs. I think id feel better knowing i just cut a nasty time at the track because well im just a nasty driver in a nasty car rather than having a computer make me look better than i really do.

[WildBillyT]

Hype cars is ridiculous. They aren't hype at all. They do what they are designed to do. Perform well.

They are not, and will not be special to me, probably ever. They look nice and the numbers are impressive. These days any ******* with a half decent credit rating can head on down to the dealership to make payments on one. There's no real exclusiveness to either model.

That's why I usually appreciate home built cars a lot more than I do off-the-showroom floor performers. I can appreciate the hard work more than the ownership itself.

And Doug,

Take it easy. No reason to get so fired up.

[DevilDougWS6]

who's fired up? i only stated a what-if situation...im not angry.

[Tsar]

Am I on time for the new village idiot break in!?

Next ricer argument: I can buy a bike which will beat your car for the fraction of the cost, and only four cylinders and great gas economy!

[DevilDougWS6]

not even close to the same class as cars

[Tsar]

You are not too bright, are you?