The Car Of Tomorrow: 2011 Chevy Volt

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by Tsar

Your "survey" has sample selection bias written all over it, there for it's irrelevant.

Actually, most if not all of them drive trucks. Dodge, Chevy and Toyota trucks. One guy drives a bike. I dont know what Bias has to do with the location of thier house relative to the location of thier job, or what thier job is has anything to do with it.
Still stands, less then 40 miles round trip for the majority of the people that I work with.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Actually, most if not all of them drive trucks. Dodge, Chevy and Toyota trucks. One guy drives a bike. I dont know what Bias has to do with the location of thier house relative to the location of thier job, or what thier job is has anything to do with it.
Still stands, less then 40 miles round trip for the majority of the people that I work with.

You are not kidding, are you?

When performing a survey, you have to select RANDOM sample of people not just line up your employees and ask them the same question.

Just like you "surveyed" your employees, I can "survey" Aldi, Inc. employees (DM). You know what their weekly "commute" is? 500 - 1000 miles per week! And just like your "survey" the results of my endeavor can be tossed in the garbage, because it was obviously not a random sample.

Oh and one last thing, surveys with less than 100 people have almost 10% margin of error in them, so they are pretty worthless.

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by Tsar

You are not kidding, are you?

When performing a survey, you have to select RANDOM sample of people not just line up your employees and ask them the same question.

Just like you "surveyed" your employees, I can "survey" Aldi, Inc. employees (DM). You know what their weekly "commute" is? 500 - 1000 miles per week! And just like your "survey" the results of my endeavor can be tossed in the garbage, because it was obviously not a random sample.

Oh and one last thing, surveys with less than 100 people have almost 10% margin of error in them, so they are pretty worthless.

First off, I wasnt trying to be scientific in my studies. I was not going to perform any type of essay on my findings.
We were all sitting in the break room, and I had a car rag with the Volt on the front cover. I asked them "well...how many of you live within 40 miles of work"

I think you just want to e-fight.
I made a statement that the majorty of the people I work with, that would be about 20 people or so, live within 40 miles of work.

Stop being a douche bag by pulling this **** our of your ass.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

First off, I wasnt trying to be scientific in my studies. I was not going to perform any type of essay on my findings.
We were all sitting in the break room, and I had a car rag with the Volt on the front cover. I asked them "well...how many of you live within 40 miles of work"

I think you just want to e-fight.
I made a statement that the majorty of the people I work with, that would be about 20 people or so, live within 40 miles of work.

Stop being a douche bag by pulling this **** our of your ass.

I don't care much for e-fighting at the moment, and if it was to happen it would be pretty handicapped because you have no clue how to perform a survey anyways.


It doesn't matter how much your Sears employees drive to and from work, they do not represent the rest of the population, therefor they are irrelevant (as any kind of survey sample).

[qwikz28]

Originally Posted by Tsar

I don't care much for e-fighting at the moment, and if it was to happen it would be pretty handicapped because you have no clue how to perform a survey anyways.


It doesn't matter how much your Sears employees drive to and from work, they do not represent the rest of the population, therefor they are irrelevant (as any kind of survey sample).

irregardless, a statistically significant amount of americans travel less than 40 miles round trip to work. it doesn't matter the percentage, but that enough people do drive that little to make the volt an important car.

for example, i waste most of my gas going to and from school everyday which is about 20 miles round trip. if i only had to buy gas for the random days i went home on weekends, i would save a good amount of money. so even though i do drive more than 40 miles at a time, the volt is still good for me too

some of you guys love to hate

[Knipps]

He's not trying to start a fight Al, just pointing out that your "survey" is flawed.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by qwikz28

irregardless, a statistically significant amount of americans travel less than 40 miles round trip to work. it doesn't matter the percentage, but that enough people do drive that little to make the volt an important car.

for example, i waste most of my gas going to and from school everyday which is about 20 miles round trip. if i only had to buy gas for the random days i went home on weekends, i would save a good amount of money. so even though i do drive more than 40 miles at a time, the volt is still good for me too

some of you guys love to hate

Over your head too, huh? When did I argue the numbers? Let me refresh your memory, I did no such thing. I do not know the numbers, why would I argue against them? Not like anyone here provided the real data for me to argue for or against it.

Originally Posted by Knipps

He's not trying to start a fight Al, just pointing out that your "survey" is flawed.

You must be getting good edjumacation for your money...

[BigAls87Z28]

I never said it was the be all and end all of surveys, just a quick question I asked the guys I work with.
I never said that represented the greater population, but when you look at the data that says 73% of American's drive 40 miles or less to work, that was about the percentage I found here.
So is it THAT flawed?
Was it a double blind survey, was it done to scientific standards? No.
Stop acting like an asshat.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

I never said it was the be all and end all of surveys, just a quick question I asked the guys I work with.

Fine and dandy, now you can decide which one of you the Volt is right for.

I never said that represented the greater population, but when you look at the data that says 73% of American's drive 40 miles or less to work, that was about the percentage I found here.

Not that I read the whole thread very attentively, after all it's about crappy Volt, but I did not see it being posted here. And quick Google did not reveal it.

So is it THAT flawed?

I haven't seen it, how am I suppose to know?

Was it a double blind survey, was it done to scientific standards? No.

Double Blind survey? Do you know what Double blind is? I would like to see you conduct a double blind survey
If it wasn't a random sample of people, and it wasn't done to a specific standard than it is garbage. Sorry, I do not make the rules.

Stop acting like an asshat.

I'm only pointing out flaws in your argument.

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by Tsar

Fine and dandy, now you can decide which one of you the Volt is right for.


Not that I read the whole thread very attentively, after all it's about crappy Volt, but I did not see it being posted here. And quick Google did not reveal it.
I haven't seen it, how am I suppose to know?
Double Blind survey? Do you know what Double blind is? I would like to see you conduct a double blind survey
If it wasn't a random sample of people, and it wasn't done to a specific standard than it is garbage. Sorry, I do not make the rules.

I know what a double blind survey is.
I wouldnt be able to conduct a double blind survey on the Volt.
Again, next time Ill just give you the statistics about American drivers and thier distance instead of just coming up with just a randon questioning of people I work with.

I'm only pointing out flaws in your argument.

No, you are starting another arugment that has nothing to do with the volt because you are a douche bag, plain and simple. You have had zero input into any part of this thread outside of just to stir **** up and come up with this one page BS sesion about how my "findings" werent scientific enough for you.
You do this every time you post, and its starting to bore the **** out of me. You come into a thread, find a target, and keep going. I dont know why you do it, maybe because you weren't hugged as a child, but you do it EVERY time, and every time you look like a big douche bag. Thank for derailing this thread like you do EVERY thread you post in. You are a waste of internet space.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

No, you are starting another arugment that has nothing to do with the volt because you are a douche bag, plain and simple. You have had zero input into any part of this thread outside of just to stir **** up and come up with this one page BS sesion about how my "findings" werent scientific enough for you.
You do this every time you post, and its starting to bore the **** out of me. You come into a thread, find a target, and keep going. I dont know why you do it, maybe because you weren't hugged as a child, but you do it EVERY time, and every time you look like a big douche bag. Thank for derailing this thread like you do EVERY thread you post in. You are a waste of internet space.

Why don't you tell me how you really feel? Are you trying to hurt my feelings?

You derail your own thread with constant GM nutswining (trust me it gets old too), and if we do not agree with you, somehow we become idiots.

btw, I stated my opinion about Volt in post 3. That is all I need to contribute to this "car".

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by Tsar

btw, I stated my opinion about Volt in post 3. That is all I need to contribute to this "car".

Then post it, shut up and leave.

[Savage_Messiah]

both of you shut the **** up and go have some make up sex

[BigAls87Z28]

GM released the final pictures today as they had a live pod casting of the unveiling in Paris today.
Interior is outstanding...

[LS1Hawk]

In these pictures the car looks a lot better. Yet, I still do not think it's worth a $40K price tag.

[Tru2Chevy]

The car does look better in these pics.....I don't like the center stack though. I'm betting that's gonna take drivers a long time to get used to.

- Justin

[BigAls87Z28]

With the white center stack and electrostatic buttons, its very iPodish...I dont think techy people will take too long to get used to it at all, and I think that this car will be a big seller to thoes people.

[Savage_Messiah]

Originally Posted by LS1Hawk

In these pictures the car looks a lot better. Yet, I still do not think it's worth a $40K price tag.

Originally Posted by Tru2Chevy

The car does look better in these pics.....I don't like the center stack though. I'm betting that's gonna take drivers a long time to get used to.

- Justin

[SteveR]

I like the interior