big oops toyota..

[Tsar]

Question about GM and recall, didn't want to make a new thread because this was already all over the place but did GM end up recalling those early camaro's with wheel weights on the side of brake calipers? Or do customers get stuck with the ugly calipers?

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by cbrrmike

quote the whole thing at least, they gave the wrong recommended tire pressures as well, potential blow outs ftw

Yea I corrected it, but yea normal people don't even look at that thing. Plus if you inflate your 16's,17's,18's or w/e to 30-35 psi **** is not gonna explode...

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Tsar

Question about GM and recall, didn't want to make a new thread because this was already all over the place but did GM end up recalling those early camaro's with wheel weights on the side of brake calipers? Or do customers get stuck with the ugly calipers?

i believe they were going to do a tsb once they got enough dealer stock in to change them over. i don't think it was going to be a recall because it was an aesthetic thing rather than a brakes not working thing... but, i don't KNOW this i am just trying to remember

[BonzoHansen]

I just read where State Farm told Toyota and the NHTSA about this problem in 2007. Nice.


I remember when BMW recalled the original 540s (mid 90s) because the air intake went down to the bottom of the car and hitting a puddle would lead to hydrolock! lol

[BigAls87Z28]

Yeah, I think once Brembo starts making more calipers, we will see a TSB on them, not a recall.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

I just read where State Farm told Toyota and the NHTSA about this problem in 2007. Nice.


I remember when BMW recalled the original 540s (mid 90s) because the air intake went down to the bottom of the car and hitting a puddle would lead to hydrolock! lol

I'm glad I didn't own that car

[BonzoHansen]

The BMW dealer where we got parts from had 3 wasted engines sitting on the floor one day.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

The BMW dealer where we got parts from had 3 wasted engines sitting on the floor one day.

Pff, at least they didn't catch on fire..



It looked brand spanking new from behind.

[Tsar]

Also last time I went to a BMW dealer I saw this. Lug nuts were scattered around the area... Pretty sure this wasn't done by the dealer.

[BigAls87Z28]

If thats a 335i...I want the engine!

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

If thats a 335i...I want the engine!

From what I saw it was a big clumpy mess, everything under the hood was melted. We were told the owner of that was going through litigation with the dealer or bmw, and they were just storing it there. From what I remember, high pressure fuel line somehow disconnected and well that started a fiery blaze. This was back in July, so my memory might be slightly off.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

If thats a 335i...I want the engine!

Found under the hood picture.

[BigAls87Z28]

The plastic locks int he freshness....

Such a shame...I love the 3 series coupe.

[BigAls87Z28]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...o&mod=yahoo_hs

The heart of Toyota's problem: Its secretive corporate culture in Japan clashed with U.S. requirements that auto makers disclose safety threats, people familiar with the matter say. The relationship soured even though Toyota had hired two former NHTSA officials to manage its ties with the agency.

Toyota's troubles spread Tuesday when it recalled all Priuses to address a braking problem, even as executives suggested the step was unnecessary.

Toyota acknowledges the rift with regulators. "Believe me, we have changed our mind-set," said Shinichi Sasaki, Toyota's quality chief, referring to a heated December confrontation in Tokyo with NHTSA officials over floor mats. "We don't believe this is going to be a problem in the future. We are completely on the same page with NHTSA."

Toyota's woes have roots in 2002's redesigned Camry sedan, which featured a new type of gas pedal. Instead of physically connecting to the engine with a mechanical cable, the new pedal used electronic sensors to send signals to a computer controlling the engine. The same technology migrated to cars including Toyota's luxury Lexus ES sedan. The main advantage is fuel efficiency.

[Tsar]

So someone is trying to blame drive by wire?

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by Tsar

So someone is trying to blame drive by wire?

that system is the problem. they way they designed their pedal and software. all this could still be electrical interference and not the pedal. they software fix where brake pedal input overrides gas pedal input is standard on most cars but not theirs - they are adding it from what I've read.

I have not heard a wholesale fingerpointing at DBW across the board. That would impact every automaker.

[BigAls87Z28]

Finger pointing you mean.

I have never had a problem with drive by wire. Or steer by wire.

[sweetbmxrider]

i have seen a few, nothing serious like this though. all cars have issues though, this is just one that kills people.

[BonzoHansen]

[Frosty]

LOL@Bonzo

That guy is, er, was the man.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Finger pointing you mean.

I have never had a problem with drive by wire. Or steer by wire.

i have

[Brendan713]

Die toyota die!!!!

[Untamed]

My 2005 Camry has the DBW, and I have a noticable lag in response that I don't recall having in other mechanical systems that I've had in past cars.

Then again it could just be the 4 cyl vs. the 6's and 8's I've had. This is my first 4cyl. The delayed response to pedal pressure drives me crazy. Having said that though, I haven't had a major problem with my Camry.

[BigAls87Z28]

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...4/#post1980635

Hits keep on comin'

Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Former regulators hired by Toyota Motor Corp. helped end at least four U.S. investigations of unintended acceleration by company vehicles in the last decade, warding off possible recalls, court and government records show.

Christopher Tinto, vice president of regulatory affairs in Toyota’s Washington office, and Christopher Santucci, who works for Tinto, helped persuade the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to end probes including those of 2002-2003 Toyota Camrys and Solaras, court documents show. Both men joined Toyota directly from NHTSA, Tinto in 1994 and Santucci in 2003.

While all automakers have employees who handle NHTSA issues, Toyota may be alone among the major companies in employing former agency staffers to do so. Spokesmen for General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co., Chrysler Group LLC and Honda Motor Co. all say their companies have no ex-NHTSA people who deal with the agency on defects.

Possible links between Toyota and NHTSA may fuel mounting criticism of their handling of defects in Toyota and Lexus models tied to 19 deaths between 2004 and 2009. Three congressional committees have scheduled hearings on the recalls.

“Toyota bamboozled NHTSA or NHTSA was bamboozled by itself,” said Joan Claybrook, an auto safety advocate and former NHTSA administrator in the Jimmy Carter administration. “I think there is going to be a lot of heat on NHTSA over this.”

[LS1Hawk]

Anyone have anything new on the Toyota debacle?