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Savage_Messiah · 11-09-2006, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by George Washington's farewell address

I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the state, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party, generally.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.
The common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection.

If you need cliffnotes... get out of this thread, go buy a dictionary, and go finish high school.

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Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

we went through this before dude. it is all about getting rid of terrorist organizations. not borders or what **** head puppet leader of what **** wad country they are hiding in. these people don't jsut stand around waiting for their ass kicking to come, they run and hide.
apparently that is too big a concept for you to get your head around.
i would also like to say that i am not much of a gw fan. i think his international policy leaves a lot to be desired and he certainly could be getting more done to help the middle class.
what he has going for him is that he is not afraid to make decisions. while a lot of presidents, george the first and willy clinton for example, were hardly ever caught making a decision they couldn't weasel out of or entirely hide from. if they did claim a decisio as their own you could count on it being something that the whole world coudl agree on the answer

Getting rid of terrorist organizations is simply not possible. Ever heard the phrase "can't please all the people all the time?" Yea. No matter what someone will hate someone else, whther out of jealousy, spite, or principle (if this wasn't a sad fact then Communism would have been the ultimate answer a long time ago). And guess what... the more we "hunt down" the terrorist organizations, the more people will be pissed off that we're invading their country and join with the other side, againt America... and there we have more "terrorists" and "insurgent groups."

Maybe Bush isn't afraid to make decisions, but he obviously doesn't show much if any intelligence with them. Bush only cares about being the tough guy and taking out all those "bad" and "evil" people. Clinton on the other hand kept us pretty much out of conflict, got us out of devt, created jobs... aka WORKED ON FIXING AMERICA BEFORE TRYING TO FIX THE WORLD. We have a president of the United States, and he should worry about our own country before trying to be the world's hero.

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz

the crusades were fought in the 12th century over the same issue Muslims hate Christians and anyone else that itsent Muslim -- they are going to strike us again - as soon as the liberals start impeachment of bush because he talks funny or any reason - be afraid very afraid - jz

Please don't take this too personally, as Melissa has spoken very highly of you so I doubt having this conversation with you in real life would be like it is here, but that has to be one of the most blatantly ignorant and paranoid things I have ever heard. Muslim people and fanatical Muslims are completely different, as are Christians and Christian fanatics, Jew and orthodox Jews, etc. Granted this country was founded on Christian principles, yet (and our founding fathers embraced the necessity of change) with the melting pot principle we have become much more over the years. Oh and by the way, the Christians went and fought on Muslim turf in the crusades, so it would be the Christians who "struck" back then.

Impeaching Clinton for his personal life was complete stupidity, as it did not affect the running of this nation in any way. Bush has been caught out in the open on more lies, and his lies COST THE LIVES OF OUR SOLDIERS AND OUR INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS. I think that's a whole lot worse then denying a BJ.

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Obviously that voting the Dems in did do something. If the Reps remained in control, they would be able to continue to keep Rumsfeld in his seat.
Rumsfeld is a jackass, and has done nothing but cause a Vietnam 2.0 over there. Lack of body armor and continious blowing of smoke up the asses of America about how bad it is, when the Generals are saying other wise.
Bush is a lame duck, he cant go on, but he took out Rumsfeld because he had to appease both the Dems AND the Reps that crossed over. Bush did this so that he could hope to gain back some Republicans that voted Dem.
Bush is clueless, and now we have the former CIA director, probably the same guy that let that memo about Islamic Fundementalists taking flying lessons in Florida, slip through his ****ing hands. This mid term election was about the peopel being fed up with the same nonsense for the past 6 years. Still suffering at home, and more and more troops are dying in the middle of a civil war. Bush IS the #1 Military man in the land. There is no one higher. He is the "6 star" General. Commander in Chief, leader of the US Armed Forces, Gerorge W Bush.

thank you.

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Any reason?
How about...oh, i dont know..

INVADING A ****ING SOVERIGN NATION, UNPROVOKED AGAINGS THE WILL OF THE REST OF THE FREE WORLD?? RING A BELL??
Saddam did that in 1990
Hitler did that in 1938 to 1941
Bill Clinton got a blow job and lied about it, and he brought up on charges. YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!
Any reason? Give me a ****ing break. Im surprised they havent marched his ass down to the Hague.

Thank you x2.

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Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

you are still failing to see the point here. this has nothing to do with you,your mom,or that sad sack former super power you are from.
terrorism is a world wide problem, this is something we all know already.
america is the worl's police. it is one of the ****** side jobs of being the last standing super power in the world. the US currently has troops deployed every place you just mentioned, some fighting terrorists, some working as occupying forces, some doing **** the government doesn't let us know about. that is the way it works.
our military takes the fight to their back yard to keep them from getting to ours. the people who hate america jsut because it is america enough to want to attack us are the people the military is after. it has nothing to do with what country they are standing in or where they are from, it is about getting to the people who want to attack us and those who make it possible for them to try.
**** them terrorists! USA FTMFW!!!!

Hm, sounds like somebody needs to get Bush's dick outta their mouth and his balls off of their chin.

johnjzjz · 11-09-2006, 07:21 AM

Impeaching Clinton for his personal life was complete stupidity, as it did not affect the running of this nation in any way. Bush has been caught out in the open on more lies, and his lies COST THE LIVES OF OUR SOLDIERS AND OUR INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS. I think that's a whole lot worse then denying a BJ.

spoken buy a real life liberal with out any real idea about war and why the US gets involved -- i had forgotten about what it was like to be NAIVE and full of self purpose and RHETORIC -- over education is serving you well --- more name calling than a barrel of monkeys COOL DUDE -- jz

BigAls87Z28 · 11-09-2006, 09:16 AM

Dont change the subject!! Bush lied on the WORLD stage, along with dragging his little crew in front of the UN, asking to attack Iraq. The UN did not agree, so we invaded another country, unprovoked, on false pretenses. Now dont tell me they found X amount of mustard gas shells, whoaaoaoaoaoa. They were talking about Anthrax, VX, Atomic wepons. Serious BioChem stuff, in stock piles, hidden from us. When nothing was found, the tone changed from getting the WMD's to we went in there to take out a deadly leader. And again, we said that when Saddam was gone, Iraq would be a peaceful place where everyone would just fall into harmony. They would gather around to vote a unified goverment that was free of terror, flowers in there hair ohhhhh it was so magical a picture. When we tore down that massive statue of Saddam, we pictured it would be so easy, but since America is a blip on the radar of Civilization, we have ZERO clue about the culture and conditions of what is going on over there.

So, if Clinton can get brought up on perjury chargers for lying about having sex with some ugly girl, and lock up the US Goverment with that, I think that lying about going to war and wasting BILLIONS of American dollars, Thousands of young teenagers lives, all while smirking about it and saying everything is ok, stay the course crap attitude...I think that just might merit an impeachment. Only reason they wont, is that there is a bigger, even worse guy that would take his spot.

Savage_Messiah · 11-09-2006, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz

Impeaching Clinton for his personal life was complete stupidity, as it did not affect the running of this nation in any way. Bush has been caught out in the open on more lies, and his lies COST THE LIVES OF OUR SOLDIERS AND OUR INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS. I think that's a whole lot worse then denying a BJ.

spoken buy a real life liberal with out any real idea about war and why the US gets involved -- i had forgotten about what it was like to be NAIVE and full of self purpose and RHETORIC -- over education is serving you well --- more name calling than a barrel of monkeys COOL DUDE -- jz

If I have no idea about war or why we get involved, then why don't you tell me about it.

Tsar · 11-09-2006, 12:47 PM

yes please enlighten us, cuz we're young and dumb and dont know jack ****.

NJSPEEDER · 11-09-2006, 02:36 PM

kasey, i know not everyone will be happy with the US and we will certainly always have our enemies. that is not really the point here.
the need to disarm and prevent people with the desire and backing to attack us on our own soil is very important to me, as it should be to you. the simple truth is that we were attacked, we the citizens. we elect leaders and hold a standing army in this country to protect us and try to prevent such events.
if you think the solution to another attack on american soil is to stand around with our hands in our pockets you are sorely mistaken.
we hold higher technology and further reaching resources than any nation in the world. putting these thigns to good use to prevent the deaths of thousands more citizens is by design of the government, not the decision of a texan.
you guys can spend all the time you want picking and choosing who is good or bad in government. this is about the safety of a nation and the ability to be a true world leader. not about what you personally think of the president.
it amazes me that 62% of the dems in office voted to go forth with this same war, yet everyone wants to act like GW made the decision all by himself. many people here clearly have more information based on old rhetoric than on how our government and world wide politics actually work.

Tsar · 11-09-2006, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

the simple truth is that we were attacked, we the citizens.

give me a link to an article that says IRAQ attacked the United States of America and i wont argue anymore.

P.S. once again you've failed to answer any questions, u just keep restating the same thing all over again...

johnjzjz · 11-09-2006, 05:08 PM

First off ---HAHHAHHAH....actually George Washington's fairwell address was #1 Potomac view terrace, Mount Vernon,Va.--- but than again that is the same way you have chosen to argue -- pick out while standing on the sidewalk what you see is an un truth and soap box it -- my take on your rant is ( you cant see the forest for the trees ) --- I carried WITH ME IN VIETNAM a cig lighter with the inscription --- ( FREEDOM HAS A TASTE THE PROTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW ) IT IS AS TRUE TODAY AS IT WAS IN 1968 / 69 -- JUST DIFFERENT YOUNG PEOPLE SAME MIND SET ( CLOSED TO ANY ONE ELSES OPINION ) -- JZ

Tsar · 11-09-2006, 05:13 PM

someone translate.

johnjzjz · 11-09-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tsar

someone translate.

you have to read between the lines - jz

Tsar · 11-09-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz

you have to read between the lines - jz

wow thats soooooooo original, at least us young folks who dont know jack **** dont need to tell each other to **** off.

way to go old man, dont break your hip on your way down the stairs.

johnjzjz · 11-09-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tsar

wow thats soooooooo original, at least us young folks who dont know jack **** dont need to tell each other to **** off.

way to go old man, dont break your hip on your way down the stairs.

WISHING SOMEONE A MISFORTUNE -- THAT MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE A BIGGER LITTLE BOY NOW DOES IT -- WOW I AM IMPRESSED -- JZ

NJSPEEDER · 11-09-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tsar

give me a link to an article that says IRAQ attacked the United States of America and i wont argue anymore.

P.S. once again you've failed to answer any questions, u just keep restating the same thing all over again...

the attack was executed by al quida, not a country, but an extremist organization that exists and is supported in many many nations. that is what i keep restating because that is the truth.
i don't know why that is so difficult for you to understand. it is nodifferent that a common criminal leaving the area to avoid the cops, al quida jumps borders to try to get away from everyone who is lookin for them.

Tsar · 11-09-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

the attack was executed by al quida, not a country, but an extremist organization that exists and is supported in many many nations. that is what i keep restating because that is the truth.
i don't know why that is so difficult for you to understand. it is nodifferent that a common criminal leaving the area to avoid the cops, al quida jumps borders to try to get away from everyone who is lookin for them.

But you attacked Iraq, not al-queda. You removed Saddam from power, not Bin-Laden. Bin-laden is no where to be found - well actually alot of inteligence said he was in Pakistan but Americans didnt want to go there and remove Pakistans prime minister in the name of "war on terror". Why is that? Bin Laden also used to be a Saudi citizen, is he the only terrorist that came out of saudi arabia? not even close. Maybe you want to count the number of highjackers on 9/11 that came from Saudi Arabia? nahh you probably dont. Saudi Arabia is still here tho, and there's not even a slightest hint that you'll go in there and "make their life better, by removing all the wrong-doers". Why arent you going to war with Saudi Arabia?

Little refresher in History, just because it seems like certain people can use it. Iraq kicked out UN inspectors and almighty Bush threated Saddam with war if he didnt allow them to get back. Saddam told Bush to lick his balls. Bush made up "axis of evil" that was soon forgotten. Then Bush SENT HIS ARMIES TO IRAQ TO REMOVE SADDAM HUSSEIN FROM POWER (and find wmds and make the world safer of course), SADDAM HUSSEIN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AL-QUEDA, who attacked you on sep 11th. I wont even talk about "wmds" aka mustard gas (

) cuz that's just pathetic. Or the fact that bush LIED about the documents that talked about their existance. How do i know he lied? Blair, who gave him those documents, later admitted in front of British Parlament that they were made up. ohh nooes...

Tsar · 11-09-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz

WISHING SOMEONE A MISFORTUNE -- THAT MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE A BIGGER LITTLE BOY NOW DOES IT -- WOW I AM IMPRESSED -- JZ

actually if you had any reading comprehension i said "don't". Which means do not. which also means that i was not wishing you any misfortune. Falling and breaking a bone happens to be the most common injury among people of dinasour age, such as yourself. How do i know, i have to deal with people like you everyday. But i know you have a hard time reading and comprehending sentences, so why dont you just go away. kthxbye.

johnjzjz · 11-09-2006, 06:27 PM

who attacked you on sep 11th. I wont even talk about "wmds" aka mustard gas ( ) cuz that's just pathetic. Or the fact that bush LIED about the documents that talked about their existance. How do i know he lied? Blair, who gave him those documents, later admitted in front of British Parlament that they were made up. ohh nooes...

hey oh smart one -- ( who attacked you on sep 11th. ) That should be us or are you illegaly in the united states -- ( existance -- and Parlament )--are spelt EXISTENCE -- PARLIAMENT -- BTW -- and i am sure you would want me to point that out to you - cuz - u youngens r smart u said -- jz

Tsar · 11-09-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz

who attacked you on sep 11th. I wont even talk about "wmds" aka mustard gas ( ) cuz that's just pathetic. Or the fact that bush LIED about the documents that talked about their existance. How do i know he lied? Blair, who gave him those documents, later admitted in front of British Parlament that they were made up. ohh nooes...

hey oh smart one -- ( who attacked you on sep 11th. ) That should be us or are you illegaly in the united states -- ( existance -- and Parlament )--are spelt EXISTENCE -- PARLIAMENT -- BTW -- and i am sure you would want me to point that out to you - cuz - u youngens r smart u said -- jz

do you want to turn this thread into a spelling bee contest? because i can pick apart everypost you made and find more mistakes in one of your senteces then in my whole paragraph. But hey, at least you were able to understand what i was typing, unlike you gibberish. As far as "us" and "you" go, I have a dual citizenship. I'm a citizen of the United States of America and Russian Federation. Therefor i'm allowed to interchange as many times as i please. thanks for playing, you lose again. Better luck next time.

WayFast84 · 11-09-2006, 06:44 PM

tsar cmon, spelling bee contest? its spelling bee

johnjzjz · 11-09-2006, 06:54 PM

I'm a citizen of the United States of America and Russian Federation.

CANT BE BOTH DUDE - LIKE A GUY WITH BOOBS - YOU ARE OR YOUR ONE OF THEM -- HOPE THAT ENGRESS IS SIMPLE ENOUGH 4 U -- JZ

WayFast84 · 11-09-2006, 06:55 PM

this reminds me of lethal weapon "diplomatic emunity" bang "its just been revoked"

Tsar · 11-09-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz

I'm a citizen of the United States of America and Russian Federation.

CANT BE BOTH DUDE

dude you have no idea what you're talking about.

BigAls87Z28 · 11-09-2006, 07:06 PM

You can have dual-citizenship.

This could go forever, point being that we invaded a soverign nation who had no direct ties to funding anything with the events of 9-11, removed the goverment from power, turned it into a police state, and we kind of expected everyone to be happy, form a new goverment, and we could leave, bing bang boom.
We stepped in a big pile of ****, and now we have to clean up the mess we made. Dems arent going to just yank the army out of Iraq. They cant give it a deadline becaue then the bad guys will wait till we leave to ransack the damn place. We will be there forever, in some form. Untill there is a goverment that is strong enough to keep the peace, US troops will be stationed in Iraq for the better part of the next decade.

johnjzjz · 11-09-2006, 07:08 PM

WHAT IS IT AGAIN CARTMAN SAYES ---- DUDE THATS WEAK ---

JL8Jeff · 11-09-2006, 07:13 PM

Saddam attacked his own people with chemical weapons. There were terrorist training camps found in northern Iraq with chemical and bio weapons found. This guy was another Hitler. Do you really think we should have just sat around and done nothing? If we did sit around and he killed thousands more then other countries would be complaining that we didn't do anything. It's a no win situation. The UN is a bunch of wussies who don't want to offend anyone so we had to go it alone. But it wasn't just Bush, Congress and the Senate voted that we should go in. Both democrats and republicans voted that we should go in. But all of the sudden the dems turn around and say it was a bad idea so they could get a majority elected. Whatever, it will backfire. I just hope they don't try to remove the troops before the Iraqi people are ready to stand on their own.

BigAls87Z28 · 11-09-2006, 07:17 PM

Whats weak? That he can have dual-citizenship or that we will be there forever?
Dems wont impeach Bush because they dont want to look like bullies and use there newly gained power to upset the people. They will do what must be done to get changes made, and set the stage for the Presidential election in 08. IMO, if Bush wanted to save Congress, he should have kicked Rumsfeld out LONG ago.