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sinistr · 12-02-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WayFast84

Honestly I want to be something like a contractor. Thanks for that info Ron, that is something I'm definitely considering

no you don't .. construction is dead... there is so much crap in that field that you don't even know or want to know about .. in about 2 years it'll pick back up ..

union construction pays well , pipe fitters are good jobs .. but everyone i know in any of these fields is always worried about running out of work..

utility company's are always great to work for .. gas,water etc

The Fixer · 12-02-2007, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBillyT

Also, don't forget to take into account the amount of hours that salaried employees put in. I know a bunch of guys that make a ton of money but they work 8-10 hours a day, 7 days a week. If you figure out their six figure salary vs. the time they spend, they are actually worse off than many people who make less.

My brother is an accountant for a firm in NYC. I'm sure he makes near or over $100K/year, but he's got an hour commute each way, plus at the end of the fiscal year and every quarter, he's working 9-10 hours a day, and even has to go in on Saturdays without compensation.

On the other hand, I'm a 10th year teacher in one of the lowest paying districts in the state, and I make around 45K a year. Sure, that kinda sucks compared to some of the other jobs listed in the thread (or my other teacher friends in different districts), but it's not a bad gig. Plus, I have good benefits, a 7-hour work day, and only work 184 days a year with summers off! If I just stay with my Bachelors, I'll make around 65K at the top of the scale - in another 8 years or so.

If you like the medical field, go for X-Ray tech, or the big $$ Registered Nurse. My wife's been a nurse for 17 years, will easily make what I made this year, and she works part-time. If she worked full time, she'd be kickin' my ***** in the salary department!

//<86TA>\\ · 12-02-2007, 07:55 PM

working for the phone company or the power company would be a good job, i deal with those guys all the time, they do practically nothing and get paid very very well for it.
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qwikz28 · 12-02-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah

When did i ever say quick buck or that you don't need to work your *** off?

And job security is a funny one... how many jobs have recently been outsourced? Mass layoffs in the news? How about all of the NJ college's recent budget cuts and laying off teachers?

very rarely does a professional's job become outsourced. you can't outsource a doctor or a professor

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Originally Posted by ****OnWheels

The job market for PhDs is crap right now. There are very few spots for PhDs in colleges right now (in a few years many will retire, yes, but there is already an overabudance of qualified people to take their place just waiting for them to retire), and very few non academic places want PhD candidates because they have to pay them more. Job security for a PhD is not a good as for someone in the corporate world. Might be about the same for an entrepreneur, but may actually be worse than for someone with just a BA. Don't believe me, find a job posting for a university, and then ask them how many resumes they received. I'll bet they receive hundreds of well qualified candidates for one position. And it happens all over the country.

Nonetheless, a BA/BS is much better than just a HS Diploma or GED. But many fields can get away with just a Bachelors. Others need an MA.

For WayFast, he needs to just take classes in various fields and find what interests him. It's not always going to be about the money. You think teachers do it for the money? Teachers with Masters degrees often make less than someone in a management position with just a bachelors. As I said, with my EdS I will still make less than James who never finished college. It's not as uncommon as you suggest.

Bottom line, don't always think about the money. You can survive on a minimum income if you know how to manage your money. Do what you enjoy doing, and the only way to find that is to take different courses in different areas, or as to work in different fields as an intern or apprentice. Looking around on the internet is most likely not going to find you what you like to do.

life is tough and competition exists, but a good degree will only insure you're place in life. a degree shows an employer that you are disciplined enough and have good work ethics.

imagine i am an employer. i wanna hire a good worker. i now ask the guy, are you a good worker? if he says no, he doesn't get the job, but if he lies, he gets it. so he will lie. and i get stuck with a bad worker. so how do i filter out the idiots? i ask, can you at least get through school? if so, prove it.

so if there are so many applicants for jobs as you claim, then it would make sense that the employer would choose the most qualified. so having a degree gives you an edge on your peers. the idea of being too qualified doesn't exist anymore, people are settling for lower salaries. i can't think of one instance where having a degree is not beneficial. not to mention you get to go away to school, meet people, party, etc...

Savage_Messiah · 12-02-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by qwikz28

very rarely does a professional's job become outsourced. you can't outsource a doctor or a professor

life is tough and competition exists, but a good degree will only insure you're place in life. a degree shows an employer that you are disciplined enough and have good work ethics.

imagine i am an employer. i wanna hire a good worker. i now ask the guy, are you a good worker? if he says no, he doesn't get the job, but if he lies, he gets it. so he will lie. and i get stuck with a bad worker. so how do i filter out the idiots? i ask, can you at least get through school? if so, prove it.

so if there are so many applicants for jobs as you claim, then it would make sense that the employer would choose the most qualified. so having a degree gives you an edge on your peers. the idea of being too qualified doesn't exist anymore, people are settling for lower salaries. i can't think of one instance where having a degree is not beneficial. not to mention you get to go away to school, meet people, party, etc...

Overqualification happens all the time, it happened twice to a friend of mine who had a master's and was a history teacher. And nobody suggested to Matt to become a doctor or professor.

And are you really being stupid enough to say that idiots won't get through school, and that if someone does get through they're not?!?!?! If so you have one hell of an awakening coming your way.

qwikz28 · 12-02-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah

Overqualification happens all the time, it happened twice to a friend of mine who had a master's and was a history teacher. And nobody suggested to Matt to become a doctor or professor.

And are you really being stupid enough to say that idiots won't get through school, and that if someone does get through they're not?!?!?! If so you have one hell of an awakening coming your way.

oh no i meant that lazy people with bad work ethics dont get through school.

BonzoHansen · 12-02-2007, 08:21 PM

When there are unionized teaching positions involved, there are union bargained salary points. If you plan on being a public school teacher you need to get tenure before you get advanced degrees like a masters. Budgets do not allow districts to hire people high up the scale when there are qualified people at a cheaper price.

Savage_Messiah · 12-02-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by qwikz28

oh no i meant that lazy people with bad work ethics dont get through school.

What about those people that lose all motivation, there's nothing they want to do with their lives at the school, so leave so that they're not wasting money on the schooling when they don't know what they want to major in... then once finding what they want to do, need financial licenses as opposed to a college degree and so have no need or desire to go back?

ShitOnWheels · 12-02-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by qwikz28

very rarely does a professional's job become outsourced. you can't outsource a doctor or a professor

life is tough and competition exists, but a good degree will only insure you're place in life. a degree shows an employer that you are disciplined enough and have good work ethics.

imagine i am an employer. i wanna hire a good worker. i now ask the guy, are you a good worker? if he says no, he doesn't get the job, but if he lies, he gets it. so he will lie. and i get stuck with a bad worker. so how do i filter out the idiots? i ask, can you at least get through school? if so, prove it.

so if there are so many applicants for jobs as you claim, then it would make sense that the employer would choose the most qualified. so having a degree gives you an edge on your peers. the idea of being too qualified doesn't exist anymore, people are settling for lower salaries. i can't think of one instance where having a degree is not beneficial. not to mention you get to go away to school, meet people, party, etc...

Imagine I'm an employer. I have 2 candidates with equal work histories, just one has a PhD and one has a Masters. The PhD is asking for $20k more per year than the MA. The big boss is worried about profit. Everything else being equal, which would I pick? The one I can pay less to, so my boss is happy, no doubt.

It happens all the time. My dad tried to get his friend into his company...the friend was told he was overqualified for the position and wouldn't hire him. And he only had a BA I believe, but a ton of experience.

Go take a look at graduate school application statistics. There are often 200 applicants for 3 spots at many universities just to study there. Assume those at least 100 of those people actually have a decent application to be considered, and those 100 do find a placement somewhere. You know have 100 graduates in a few years time looking for work, of which exists only a few spots in academia. Multiply that by the number of schools in the US for that program, and you see the problem.

Having a BA will open more doors than a HS diploma or GED will. We've established that. Often, an MA will open more doors than a BA. But a PhD is not always going to open more doors than an MA. A good degree will NOT ensure you a good place in life. It could, and more often than not probably will. But it is not the only thing that will get you anywhere.

Still don't believe me, go to the LiveJournal community applyingtograd and ask about job prospects for certain fields. Or look at the memories as I believe there have been many posts about it (I'm a member, I used it to help me when I applied to grad school and I continue to help when I can).

There are a few professions where the competition isn't as rough. In school psychology (my field), the baby boomers will be retiring soon, and there is a dire need in many areas of the country for school psychs. Not many people want to work in the schools, so there aren't many people in grad school for this position (must have a grad degree to be a school psych). That's the only profession I'm sure of though, since I"m living through it now. And yes, other professions will have the baby boomers retiring shortly, but many of those professions already have an influx of competent replacements, often too many for a relatively small number of positions.

qwikz28 · 12-02-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah

What about those people that lose all motivation, there's nothing they want to do with their lives at the school, so leave so that they're not wasting money on the schooling when they don't know what they want to major in... then once finding what they want to do, need financial licenses as opposed to a college degree and so have no need or desire to go back?

IMO lack of desire = lazy... feel free to disagree but thats my stance. i have no desire to continue writing this paper but i got kids to feed so i'm gonna finish it.

qwikz28 · 12-02-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ****OnWheels

Imagine I'm an employer. I have 2 candidates with equal work histories, just one has a PhD and one has a Masters. The PhD is asking for $20k more per year than the MA. The big boss is worried about profit. Everything else being equal, which would I pick? The one I can pay less to, so my boss is happy, no doubt.

It happens all the time. My dad tried to get his friend into his company...the friend was told he was overqualified for the position and wouldn't hire him. And he only had a BA I believe, but a ton of experience.

Go take a look at graduate school application statistics. There are often 200 applicants for 3 spots at many universities just to study there. Assume those at least 100 of those people actually have a decent application to be considered, and those 100 do find a placement somewhere. You know have 100 graduates in a few years time looking for work, of which exists only a few spots in academia. Multiply that by the number of schools in the US for that program, and you see the problem.

Having a BA will open more doors than a HS diploma or GED will. We've established that. Often, an MA will open more doors than a BA. But a PhD is not always going to open more doors than an MA. A good degree will NOT ensure you a good place in life. It could, and more often than not probably will. But it is not the only thing that will get you anywhere.

Still don't believe me, go to the LiveJournal community applyingtograd and ask about job prospects for certain fields. Or look at the memories as I believe there have been many posts about it (I'm a member, I used it to help me when I applied to grad school and I continue to help when I can).

There are a few professions where the competition isn't as rough. In school psychology (my field), the baby boomers will be retiring soon, and there is a dire need in many areas of the country for school psychs. Not many people want to work in the schools, so there aren't many people in grad school for this position (must have a grad degree to be a school psych). That's the only profession I'm sure of though, since I"m living through it now. And yes, other professions will have the baby boomers retiring shortly, but many of those professions already have an influx of competent replacements, often too many for a relatively small number of positions.

we're arguing the same point. only i am adding the variable that those said "overqualified" applicants who are asking for more money will eventually accept a less paying job because of the abundance of applicants... now answer me this, for the same salary, would you rather have a PhD or a masters applicant? in this instance, having a higher degree will come to your benefit.

BonzoHansen · 12-02-2007, 08:42 PM

One other point about 'overqualified'. A lot of companies won't hire someone they percieve as overqualified because they think the applicant will just leave as soon as they find another (better) position. Hiring costs, both hard and soft, are very high.

12secondv6 · 12-02-2007, 09:04 PM

I still think porn star is a good idea

BonzoHansen · 12-02-2007, 09:14 PM

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I still think porn star is a good idea

There are certain qualifications for that...

qwikz28 · 12-02-2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

There are certain qualifications for that...

darn it...

BonzoHansen · 12-02-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by qwikz28

darn it...

Hey, maybe you got the goods. Ask Ian, I think he is a talent scout. Or a fluffer.

79CamaroDiva · 12-02-2007, 09:33 PM

Don't worry about a 6 figure job, worry about enjoying what you do, and making enough to support yourself and eventually your family.. There's no point in having a 6 figure salary if you dispise going to work. Right now, I love both my jobs. I don't bring home a 6 figure salary, but i can't imagine sacrificing the fun i have at work for more money.

Savage_Messiah · 12-02-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva

Don't worry about a 6 figure job, worry about enjoying what you do, and making enough to support yourself and eventually your family.. There's no point in having a 6 figure salary if you dispise going to work. Right now, I love both my jobs. I don't bring home a 6 figure salary, but i can't imagine sacrificing the fun i have at work for more money.

best point made

Savage_Messiah · 12-02-2007, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by qwikz28

IMO lack of desire = lazy... feel free to disagree but thats my stance. i have no desire to continue writing this paper but i got kids to feed so i'm gonna finish it.

The more I saw how the MAJORITY of people that had music as their career were, and the more I was around the environment, the less I wanted to. It got to the point where it damn near killed music for me even as a hobby. What's the point in sticking that out if I was gonna be miserable and probably not even continue it as a career? The only reason to do music is a love for it, which I had when I entered school, and it became a memory by the time I left. I'm lucky that I have a love fr it again now that I'm out of there. I didn't want to have to sacrifice to work in a field that I had no more passion for.

Knipps · 12-02-2007, 10:17 PM

i'm going for my pharm. d because i wanted something to do with chemistry/medicine
a ton of work and a lot of busting my *** and i'm not even sure it's what i want to do for the rest of my life

the degree leaves a lot of doors open, i can continue and go into nuclear pharmaceutics or i can work in a hospital in various departments

but, like i said, i just had to pick something..

Ian · 12-02-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

Hey, maybe you got the goods. Ask Ian, I think he is a talent scout. Or a fluffer.

hey! hey! hey! dont go telling people about my side job!

qwikz28 · 12-02-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah

The more I saw how the MAJORITY of people that had music as their career were, and the more I was around the environment, the less I wanted to. It got to the point where it damn near killed music for me even as a hobby. What's the point in sticking that out if I was gonna be miserable and probably not even continue it as a career? The only reason to do music is a love for it, which I had when I entered school, and it became a memory by the time I left. I'm lucky that I have a love fr it again now that I'm out of there. I didn't want to have to sacrifice to work in a field that I had no more passion for.

hobbies have no business in your career. it would kill it for us. we enjoy working on our cars, but imagine having to do that every day. i would hate my car if i had to see cars everyday. i would just buy a hyundai or something. i don't know, blame my ethnic parents, but i believe there is no replacement for an education... or maybe i just want you guys to call me qwikz28 esquire

Savage_Messiah · 12-02-2007, 10:31 PM

hobbies don't, but what can be a crappier existance than doing something you hate, loathe, or even just generally dislike every day? You gotta like what you're doing.

Mike · 12-02-2007, 10:45 PM

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some types of law enforcement

Savage_Messiah · 12-02-2007, 10:59 PM

Some thing I have said could possibly be miscontrued so I'm just gonna say now: I am not saying nobody shoudl go to school, that it doesn't help, or that it doesn't work. I am just saying that it's not for everybody, is not required to make any amount of money, and is not the be-all-end-all that people often make it out to be. Every field is different.