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I'm still thinking about this, not only would they absorb the actual car models think of all the employees and whatever wonderful contract they have with the crooked UAW...getting rid of those employees won't be easy. I could see GM keeping my most of Chrysler's products since they compete in some car classes.
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10-11-2008, 02:40 PM
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Cummins Diesel with an Allison behind it, wrapped in a Silverado skin? Sounds Yummy
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10-11-2008, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 1QWIKBIRD
Cummins Diesel with an Allison behind it, wrapped in a Silverado skin? Sounds Yummy
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I didnt even think of that. Chevy trucks with a cummins in them would be a dream come true.
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10-11-2008, 03:18 PM
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Cummings is a third party, not a part of Chrysler corp, just licensed to provide engines for Chrysler. GM owns the D-max brand/name. It would be a catastrophic waste of money to end up with a product that is basically equal.
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10-11-2008, 03:53 PM
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I thought Dmax was a joint venture with Isuzu and GM sold off its last shares of Isuzu a couple years ago? Did it keep the rights to the Dmax engine? So unless GM was able to keep the technology and rights, I am sure they are paying Isuzu for supplying the engines in one form or another, irregardless of the them being built here.
Unless GM and Isuzu are in bed together on import export deals over in Isuzuland. I think GM could benefit from the Cummins relationship.
I just turned 200,000 in my CTD and wouldn't trade it for the anything.
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10-11-2008, 04:03 PM
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The D-max was a joint technology development deal. The basics of the engine and all of the controllers and such were made with the companies working together. GM retained the rights to the D-max and Isuzu kept the rights for a series of smaller diesels used in eastern Europe, Asia, and Africa.
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10-11-2008, 05:23 PM
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Holy Moly...
What could GM benifit? Well, they want to sell the Renn Center, so selling that and moving into Auburn Hills means a freebee HQ.
Jeep and the new Minivans are good. The new Ram is going to be rebadged as a Nissan, and Nissan and Chrysler has a lot of ties. GM can enjoy the cash flow from Nissan as well as VW that makes thier "German Engineerd" VW Town and Country err...Caravan..err...Routun or whatever the hell VW calls that rebadge job.
Nissan could buy the rest of the empty plants from GM/Chrysler to up thier American production.
Clearly Chrysler would make out like a bandit, now having access to the engineering of GM. They would no longer need to use Nissan to develop a compact platform. This could either be a joint-venture or a full merger, but if that was teh case, we are talking about massive MASSIVE cut backs in divisions, brands, and car lines.
IMO, this is a poor move for GM when they have very little money now, I dont understand why they would do this outside of it being more of a trade off for the rest of GMAC and this is the only way without burning up too much money.
It would mean a totaly different world car wise. Chrysler would be stripped of nothing. Not one single car they currently make is better then a GM product outside of the Ram and the Jeep brand as a whole which really has no major competition. With CAFE and GM's already overstocked brands, I dont see this as being any good at all.
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10-11-2008, 08:33 PM
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Why hasn't anyone mentioned the the return of the LS powered K car?!?
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10-11-2008, 09:38 PM
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pontiac viper??? LSx V10????
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10-12-2008, 02:14 AM
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How about GM taking over those electric jeep, minivan and roadster projects....
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10-12-2008, 03:15 AM
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lsx wrangler would be nice. although they stopped putting v8s in wranglers for a reason. Since that was such a great idea, if they dont do it, im gonna build my own!
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10-12-2008, 08:11 AM
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Would you guys get your heads out of the clouds. There will be no LSx Viper, no LSx K-car, etc.
Damn... 
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10-12-2008, 09:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER
Cummings is a third party, not a part of Chrysler corp, just licensed to provide engines for Chrysler. GM owns the D-max brand/name. It would be a catastrophic waste of money to end up with a product that is basically equal.
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I know that and I beg to differ that they are equal. A cummins is a far superior motor when it comes to longevity, mileage, and torque.
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10-12-2008, 05:09 PM
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Dmax is the most powerful diesel engine in any pick up truck to date.
More then the mega huge 6cyl Cummings. The Dmax is king of the roost. And the new mini Max, the 4.5 Dmax that will show up in a year will also be one of the best on the market, taking up space of a Gen IV small block, while brining anywhere from 24-27mpg highway.
Wana good read?
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...1/#post1534651
wrote it up today at work.
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10-12-2008, 05:23 PM
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Rebirth of the neon - RWD - viper powered ... nuff said!
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10-12-2008, 06:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28
Dmax is the most powerful diesel engine in any pick up truck to date.
More then the mega huge 6cyl Cummings. The Dmax is king of the roost. And the new mini Max, the 4.5 Dmax that will show up in a year will also be one of the best on the market, taking up space of a Gen IV small block, while brining anywhere from 24-27mpg highway.
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I'm a big fan of the Duramax series of motors, but the older 5.9 Cummins and the new 6.7 Cummins are great motors too. And the Dmax does make more peak power, but the Cummins makes more down low, where it counts (don't forget their 6.xx:1 first gear in the M6), which makes an ideal setup for hauling big loads. Again, not taking anything away from the D-max or the Allison trannies....
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10-12-2008, 08:22 PM
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On the other side, a duramax powered wrangler would be an amazing trail vehicle. My grandpa has a duramax truck that is just as fast as my formula and gets almost double the mileage. well not really but 22-25mpg AND 600+ ft lbs out of a crew cab 4wd truck is amazing tho
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10-12-2008, 09:16 PM
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the current Duramax is WAY to heavy to stick in the nose of a Wranger, the new smaller version would prolly be better. A 4BT is a good fit though 
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10-13-2008, 10:56 PM
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chryslers with transmissions that last longer than 40k miles..... wow that would be a miracle! i say they pass on them honestly, their such garbage lol.
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10-14-2008, 12:10 AM
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the challenger platform would be a nice base for a new rear drive impalla
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10-14-2008, 12:53 AM
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id like to get my hands on a viper lol
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10-14-2008, 09:55 AM
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the Zeta platform would make for such a great replacement for that POS cobbled together, half chrysler half old W124 MB chassis that is under the 300/Charger/Challenger.
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10-14-2008, 10:43 AM
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Quote:
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the challenger platform would be a nice base for a new rear drive impalla
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The G8 will too when they kill PMD.
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Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
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10-14-2008, 03:10 PM
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Quote:
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the Zeta platform would make for such a great replacement for that POS cobbled together, half chrysler half old W124 MB chassis that is under the 300/Charger/Challenger.
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Yeah, let's hope they get rid of that horrible platform that sold a few million units world wide over the course of a decade in cars much more refined than that blessed new Camaro 
Seriously Al, let it go. Every time you comment on the Charger you sound like more and more of blind fan boi.
Chrysler made a fine car, if you aren't enough of a real car guy to notice, that is your short fall. Not the Benz platform it is based on.
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10-14-2008, 09:55 PM
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Drive a Charger RT, then drive a G8 GT.
Tell me which one is better.
I have
I know
Fan Boyism aside. G8 GT is a better car then the Charger on every measurable and subjective test. Why on God green earth would GM throw Zeta away and use Chrysler's? Cause it sold a lot of units? ****, if that was the case, the W body is the best ****ing chassis ever made, better then the current LX because Impala itself outsells ALL the LX cars COMBINED!
Chassis dynamics, thats the name of the game. GM has a plant ready to make half a million Zeta's a year.
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