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bubba428 · 08-20-2009, 08:50 AM

whats a better alternative to creatine? I used to just keep up a high protein diet and lift 4 days a week. doing that I went from 225lbs to 295lbs in 8 months. started at a 185 dead lift and by the 8th month I was putting up 485. Problem is now I don't have the time at home to cook my meals so i've been eating a lot of salad with chicken to keep my fat intake down, but I'm losing my muscle mass. next week i'm starting back up power lifting like I used to. what should I take to aid in fat burn/muscle build?

LTb1ow · 08-20-2009, 08:53 AM

Out of 40g, 40,000mg have some creatine mono in it. Not very specific on the bottle...

And Bill you should merge the two lifting threads... LOL

bubba428 · 08-20-2009, 08:54 AM

40g = 40,000mg

math FTW

WildBillyT · 08-20-2009, 08:55 AM

70 pounds in 8 months sounds like it was not all muscle. No offense.

I'd concentrate on one thing- muscle building or fat loss. Personally I've only had "OK" results when trying to do both. If you are over probably 18% bodyfat I'd concentrate on losing fat before building muscle or power.

bubba428 · 08-20-2009, 09:04 AM

it definitely wasn't all muscle, i tried doing low weight with a high rep number but it didn't do anything for me. running is outta the question because of my legs. (when I was in that accident with my T/A my shins were crushed in 2 places and 3 places, not broken though so I didn't know till later). So I mean my main concentration is the gut, my arms and legs are lean, I just gotta get the gut taken care of. I always had best results when I was on a high protein diet. would I be best off with a whey protein, creatine, or just the regular old fatty shake?

WildBillyT · 08-20-2009, 09:07 AM

Bubba,

I hate asking this since I think BMI is ********. But I don't know if you have an accurate number for your body fat.

If you are trying to lose weight, skip the creatine.

What is your BMI? We can take it to PM's if you want to keep it private.

bubba428 · 08-20-2009, 09:08 AM

h/o and i'll give you a % the way the army did it

HeadlessNorseman · 08-20-2009, 10:17 AM

yeah i would say just concetrate on one or the other. my best diet results have been when i just avoid sugar like the plauge. Its in everything so you have to get creative. and high protein is good but you also need carbs and fat. chicken turkey, beef and eggs should be your main source of protein, just use the whey products after your workout. I also drink about 10g/20g carb (gatorade powder) at breakfast sometimes, as it makes a good energy drink for work

usp55 · 08-20-2009, 10:47 AM

Ive been taking the gnc mono and yes it does work. All of my weights went up and i put on 10 pounds in the past 2 months. water weight yes but its nice to feel swol. now i sweat like pig now if im out working on the car or something so that sux. drink a ton of water and as far not taking it when if ur drinking - ive gona out pretty hard a few nights in the past month and I thought I was in for a horrible hangover/cotton mouth/etc the next day but i woke up great each time. I guess i was so hydrated from my body storing h20 and the fact that my water intake is through the roof right now, kind of nice.

Take momo,high cal diet, animal pack, protein shake each day and im getting there-6'7" 242 this morning

WildBillyT · 08-20-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by J.Reed

yeah i would say just concetrate on one or the other. my best diet results have been when i just avoid sugar like the plauge. Its in everything so you have to get creative. and high protein is good but you also need carbs and fat. chicken turkey, beef and eggs should be your main source of protein, just use the whey products after your workout. I also drink about 10g/20g carb (gatorade powder) at breakfast sometimes, as it makes a good energy drink for work

Try a 3 or 4:1 carb to protein recovery drink after your workout. Good stuff.

Bcozzi71 · 08-20-2009, 11:49 AM

iv taken it for years it really does help. Dont expect to be able to bench 300lbs its not steroids. It will help get a extra rep or 2 which helps build up over time. I would do a loading phase of 15grams then after 2 weeks cut to 5 grams.

Drink LOTS of water. Also expect to gain 6-10lbs

MonmouthCtyAntz · 08-20-2009, 11:52 AM

Definately works...adds strenght and size...been using it on and off since it got big in the mid 90's. Studies have shown it also helps in reducing fat.

MonmouthCtyAntz · 08-20-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Bcozzi71

iv taken it for years it really does help. Dont expect to be able to bench 300lbs its not steroids. It will help get a extra rep or 2 which helps build up over time. I would do a loading phase of 15grams then after 2 weeks cut to 5 grams.

Drink LOTS of water. Also expect to gain 6-10lbs

Theres no need for a loading phase..thats what companies tell u so they can sell more product...5-10 grams is all u need a day....

Bcozzi71 · 08-20-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyAntz

Theres no need for a loading phase..thats what companies tell u so they can sell more product...5-10 grams is all u need a day....

there are mixed reviews on the loading phase..... I have gone with and without the loading phase. The times I have done the loading phase i feel better. Its cheap enough idc..

MonmouthCtyAntz · 08-20-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bcozzi71

there are mixed reviews on the loading phase..... I have gone with and without the loading phase. The times I have done the loading phase i feel better. Its cheap enough idc..

Cheap? All depends on what brand your using...cant beat ON. To the op I usually cycle off a week if I feel like I hit a wall w/ it. Ive always had better results taking it a half hour or so before training...plus it gives you a nice pump during your workout as opposed to taking it after...Stay away from that walmart body fortress crap though lol. I think its the only creatine I ever tried that did absolutely nothing.

MonmouthCtyAntz · 08-20-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bubba428

whats a better alternative to creatine?

Quality food and rest. Maybe throw some Glutamine in there as well.

98tadriver · 08-20-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by madness410

ive heard of people taking the biggest craps of their lives taking creatine

thats because theyre retarded and take more than 5g. they go on a loading phase which is stupid. they wind up pooping so much bc the human body can only handle 5g.

bubba428 · 08-20-2009, 06:20 PM

ROIDS!!!!!!!!

Bcozzi71 · 08-20-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyAntz

Cheap? All depends on what brand your using...cant beat ON. To the op I usually cycle off a week if I feel like I hit a wall w/ it. Ive always had better results taking it a half hour or so before training...plus it gives you a nice pump during your workout as opposed to taking it after...Stay away from that walmart body fortress crap though lol. I think its the only creatine I ever tried that did absolutely nothing.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/nb/crea.html

thats what i take. Lasts a pretty long time. One of the cheaper sups I take, Besides Beta Alanine that stuff is awesome and dirt cheap.

Bcozzi71 · 08-20-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBillyT

70 pounds in 8 months sounds like it was not all muscle. No offense.

I'd concentrate on one thing- muscle building or fat loss. Personally I've only had "OK" results when trying to do both. If you are over probably 18% bodyfat I'd concentrate on losing fat before building muscle or power.

agreed .....you should be cutting or bulking. Its hard to do both.

S.J.SLEEPER · 08-20-2009, 09:37 PM

sust to cut or d-bol to mass!!! ha ha ha
or just work your ass off, low carb high protein, lots of cardio to burn fat.
do some hello-dollys and you will burn good amount of fat and it is good cardio w/out the trauma to the legs from running/jogging.
just quarterdeck yourself 3 -4 times a day and you will see great results, 1-2 gal of water/day

i use muscle milk, great for muscle recovery after workout, also is a god shot of protein if drank in the morn for a good start on your day

oh one ls1 SS · 08-20-2009, 09:38 PM

can you mix creatine with other pre workout supplements like N.O. shotgun or N.O. explode?

Bcozzi71 · 08-20-2009, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by oh one ls1 SS

can you mix creatine with other pre workout supplements like N.O. shotgun or N.O. explode?

yea you can its fine......

although i would suggest white flood or super pump 250 instead of No explode... just my 2 cents

HeadlessNorseman · 08-20-2009, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bubba428

whats a better alternative to creatine?

hard work and scarafice!

Squirrel · 08-22-2009, 12:48 AM

creatine is one of my staples, been taking about 3 grams/day for years...if i stop/run out for a week or so i lose about 5 pounds of water weight (this is on mono by you), only time i stop creatine is when i take it out for cutting or stop altogether and hold off on it till pct (unless i get nasty back pumps then i keep it)