Toyota only automaker to see sales drop in Oct

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

This isnt ****ing college, I'm not giving an exam and you have to decipher it, I'm just making an example, holy ****ing ****, just take the example and stop picking it apart, admin or not your being a ****ing douche about it..

Ah, again with your typical name calling when someone dares to even disagree with you. Sweet. When are you going to learn to discuss things without resorting to childish name calling?



In fact I did read it and even mentioned “Now if your argument is their cheaper driving cars influences them to drive 3 times as much, there may be something to that. But now you are moving from a technological discussion to a psychological discussion”, and even offered up the cost of gas and so forth. I just think that is a red herring in the discussion

I agree with needing to let it develop, we absolutely do. We killed R&D on nukes and now we are decades behind where we could be because of it. And the environmental and NIMBYs killed that. And they already have with wind & solar projects.

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

they use less fuel which creates less by-product (emissions)

if a hybrid uses 10 gallons and emits 2 lbs of by-product, a non-hybrid will use 10 gallons and emit 5 lbs of by-product. its emitting more no matter how you look at it. simple emissions testing has proven this time and time again.

You must be a fan of George Carlin or something, cause thats a pretty good joke right there

if a hybrid uses 10 gallons of gas, it will emit 190lbs. of Co2, if a non hybrid uses 10 gallons of gas, it'll use....ready?....190lbs. of Co2.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

You must be a fan of George Carlin or something, cause thats a pretty good joke right there

if a hybrid uses 10 gallons of gas, it will emit 190lbs. of Co2, if a non hybrid uses 10 gallons of gas, it'll use....ready?....190lbs. of Co2.

per gallon, yes. (assuming your 190 value is correct)

[WildBillyT]

I have always found it interesting how many hybrid drivers bought one because they drive so many highway miles to work.

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

I agree with needing to let it develop, we absolutely do. We killed R&D on nukes and now we are decades behind where we could be because of it. And the environmental and NIMBYs killed that. And they already have with wind & solar projects.

Exactly, Europe is advancing very rapidly with wind technology, America.....well, the East coast is just getting around to it. There's alot of work to be done.

Im the only person at work that recycles, I haveto dig through the cans here and take stuff home. I tried to get these guys to , but they are just as ignorant as the majority of peopel are to recycling, unlike taiwan where that **** is like clockwork there, and they are very efficient with their recycling.

I think another selling pouint of the prius is their price. I think they are what 22K for one new right now, as to where the volt will be 40K ( not even full electric) and the Tesla Roadster at 6 figure, the fisker, is I think 60K.....who really wants to pay that price for a vehicle with limited range, and if you do drain the battery, its not like you can go to a gas station and fill your car up with electricity.....so theres alot to work with, Toyota is in the right path, but I think Prius's get more credit then is due to them.

[BonzoHansen]

^^you can't fix stupid. I recycle everything i can.

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

I have always found it interesting how many hybrid drivers bought one because they drive so many highway miles to work.

that is because they do not understand MPG. Which is a direct correlation to carbon emissions as well.

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

I have always found it interesting how many hybrid drivers bought one because they drive so many highway miles to work.

the funny thing is they get better mileage in the city than Highway and are they really savign gas when they zip by you at 80mph/ ( I dont know if that happened to any of you northerners, but down here, man they fly like no tomorrow down the parkway)

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

the funny thing is they get better mileage in the city than Highway and are they really savign gas when they zip by you at 80mph/ ( I dont know if that happened to any of you northerners, but down here, man they fly like no tomorrow down the parkway)

That is my point. They shoulda gone diesel.

Plus, I have always thought that buying a new car every 2-4 years like a lot of people do is way worse for the environment...

[sweetbmxrider]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

You must be a fan of George Carlin or something, cause thats a pretty good joke right there

if a hybrid uses 10 gallons of gas, it will emit 190lbs. of Co2, if a non hybrid uses 10 gallons of gas, it'll use....ready?....190lbs. of Co2.

no dude, they are low emissions vehicles and the like that actually emit LESS EMISSIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!1

go tailpipe a car from 1980 and go grab a civic or something from a dealer and do the same. report your findings here.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

no dude, they are low emissions vehicles and the like that actually emit LESS EMISSIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!1

go tailpipe a car from 1980 and go grab a civic or something from a dealer and do the same. report your findings here.

you have brought another variable into the discussion. I believe BO is talking about carbon, while you have brought all the other fun gasses into the mix. Where I sit the emissions you bring up are more important *cough* but I also don't buy into the whole carbon warming thing.

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

no dude, they are low emissions vehicles and the like that actually emit LESS EMISSIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!1

go tailpipe a car from 1980 and go grab a civic or something from a dealer and do the same. report your findings here.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/co2.shtml

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

you have brought another variable into the discussion. I believe BO is talking about carbon.

Are you saying I have Bad Odor?

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

while you have brought all the other fun gasses into the mix. Where I sit the emissions you bring up are more important *cough* but I also don't buy into the whole carbon warming thing.

It also emits acids, still, but lower then back in the day, amount of Carbon Dioxide, etc...I dont deny that, but the main focus with cars is their carbon emissions. We may be helping this warming thing by about 1%, but there are other factors into it taht play a more major role, like oh say, the natural climate change the earth has gone through for millions of years, so I guess I do, and I don't, I just don't think its causing it as badly as everyone is crying about. Remember when people rallied cause of CFC's and that the Ozone is gone....havent heard about that in a while, maybe cause the Ozone has fixed itself already, and peopel need something else to swing their nuts at till people and the government crack down on more crap.

I must say this topic may have gone off course, but I do think the conversation is strong, and full of good points, and win

[sweetbmxrider]

yeah as bonzo stated, not just specifically talking about carbon in my posts. haven't really read all the others so i guess i'm out of the loop.

[Blacdout96]

So now the new question is, how will Toyota try to rally itself back into the positives?

I think they will be hurting for a while, their sucess was their own, but small demise.

IMO, bring out that FT86....although with seeing the Subaru visuals.....id rather getteh Subaru one hands down over the FT86, and for god's sake, get rid of Scion. I know they want to bring the FT86 out on that platform, but keep it under Toyota. they have a no haggle pricing deals with the Scion's ( Toyota dealerships actually have to sign a contract saying they cannot do that ) but even when a base Scion tC is like 16K, and is targeted toward younger generation....when a Yaris is 12K base, I'd much rather see my kid in that thing then a Scion.

[sweetbmxrider]

apparently they are jumping on the v8 bandwagon

[BigRocsFirebird]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

You're logic is flawed. To do a comparison you have to review fuel used for a given amount of miles. You cannot say car A uses 10 gallons in 100 miles and car B uses 10 gallons in 300 miles, so since they both uses 10 gallons they use the same amount fuel. They did, but car A would have to use 3 times more fuel to go the same mileage. That is why you compare miles per gallon instead of miles per tank. Tanks are different sizes and you could simply put a bigger tank in to bump up the mileage per tank rating. You can’t redefine a mile, it is the common denominator. Now if your argument is their cheaper driving cars influences them to drive 3 times as much, there may be something to that. But now you are moving from a technological discussion to a psychological discussion. Of course we learned that $4+ per gallon sqashes that demand, but you'd need taxes to do that. Let's see the politician ready to lose his job seriously suggest that one.

Electricity is not environmentally hazard free. It can only be produced in enough quantity and consistency with oil, gas, coal and nuclear, none of which are free rides to the environment. Wind & solar are nice but they are inconsistent in production levels and output potential. It gets dark, the wind does not always blow and they actually shut down if the wind is too strong. They are very nice additions to the grid, but not replacement alternatives, not by a long shot.

Then there is battery production and waste management. Lots of nasty stuff in batteries. Who here recycles all their batteries or mercury laden fluorescent lights? And to move everything to electrical, the grid needs to be vastly updated. You are talking major infrastructure changes, which includes economic and environmental impact as well. I read an article on how CA power companies are trying to figure out how to deal with electric cars. IIRC with today’s infrastructure, their current systems could not handle it if 10% of CA drivers changed to electric cars (I actually think the # was less than 10, but I forget now).

what the hell is this bonzo... i type a small reply and then you go and make some big ass huge elaborate book that makes mine look like crap. thanks bud

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

So now the new question is, how will Toyota try to rally itself back into the positives?

Quit the shady ******** Asian business practices and join the global economy in the right way. And that is speaking from experience. 95% of consumers have no idea.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by BigRocsFirebird

what the hell is this bonzo... i type a small reply and then you go and make some big ass huge elaborate book that makes mine look like crap. thanks bud

I thought it was interesting while I ate my morning apple.

[qwikz28]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

Quit the shady ******** Asian business practices and join the global economy in the right way. And that is speaking from experience. 95% of consumers have no idea.

Actually, with the super strong Yen, they are really hurting already.