Joe Paterno is gone as head coach of PSU

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by LTs1ow

Wait, so guy who is guilty of molesting kids, is on trial, and this other guy was fired and is now just as bad?

Internet tough guys yo, we should prob just throw em both off a cliff, I heard from this one source that heard from this guy, who kinda knew the coaches brother, said that they both are bad.

Nobody is saying that at all, except maybe mc73 but I doubt that's what he meant.

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

Nobody is saying that at all, except maybe mc73 but I doubt that's what he meant.

I dunno, slowv6 seems to be ready to crucify the guy.

Seems like he was made a scapegoat, read that he just got a letter that said to call a number and they just said you are relieved of your duty, or similar.

Sucks, you give your whole life to a place and they kick you out like the trash.

[NastyEllEssWon]

what more is the guy going to do. he heard a story. reported it. there was an investigation which came up inconclusive with lack of evidence. paterno said he didnt catch the guy or see it first hand....whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty. the cops couldnt build a case against him which paterno probably took as the lack of evidence = false claims. what more do you want him to do, launch a personal investigation???


paterno will always be a legend in my book. i in no way shape or form condone pedophiles or think they should be allowed to carry on with what they do, but paterno is not a pedophile. he might have dropped the ball on this and let down those 20 or so kids, but what a bout the thousands of others lives he changed...no credit for that????

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

what more is the guy going to do. he heard a story. reported it. there was an investigation which came up inconclusive with lack of evidence. paterno said he didnt catch the guy or see it first hand....whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty. the cops couldnt build a case against him which paterno probably took as the lack of evidence = false claims. what more do you want him to do, launch a personal investigation???


paterno will always be a legend in my book. i in no way shape or form condone pedophiles or think they should be allowed to carry on with what they do, but paterno is not a pedophile. he might have dropped the ball on this and let down those 20 or so kids, but what a bout the thousands of others lives he changed...no credit for that????

He was part of a ring of guys who didn't do the right thing. That's it. He's not going to prison, or is even being charged with anything. He got fired, which is appropriate for misconduct like this. He did a quarter-ass job of handling a serious situation. Who knows if he knew about the other incendents, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say no. I'm not saying he should have loaded a rifle and shot Sandusky from a clock tower but I will say that he did as ****** a job of reporting it (according to the court documents) as one can do while still saying SOMETHING. The athletic director is being brought up on charges.

Regarding the 2002 incident, there are zero records of any type of investigation by the "real authorities", i.e. the state police. None. Just by "higher ups" in the administration and the local university police, who ultimately report to Spanier, the guy who just got fired as well. That reeks of buck passing and sweeping things under the carpet.

[98CamaroSS]

IMO it was time to go. No only did he do wrong in not reporting it to the cops, but how much longer was he going to be the head coach anyways??

[coolmanvette75]

I feel they could have handled it a lot better than firing him on the spot. There are 3 games left in the season, and the man said he was retiring. They should have let him coach the last 3 games, retire, and live on. By firing him, it caused all sorts of unneeded violence and nonsense. If he were to finish the year and retire, there wouldnt be riots all accross the campus. It would have made this event much easier to swallow...

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by coolmanvette75

I feel they could have handled it a lot better than firing him on the spot. There are 3 games left in the season, and the man said he was retiring. They should have let him coach the last 3 games, retire, and live on. By firing him, it caused all sorts of unneeded violence and nonsense. If he were to finish the year and retire, there wouldnt be riots all accross the campus. It would have made this event much easier to swallow...

Easy. The university is scared ****less and wants to do the "right" thing for a change.

[BonzoHansen]

lmao at all the internettings on this topic. no one knows what the real facts are except the principal players and they are not talking.

[sweetbmxrider]

[Jersey Mike]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

I still think we only know 5% of the facts. I suspect the tentacles on this case will run much deeper.

This. [sigh] All kinds of stuff comes out of the woodwork as soon as it seems like things are under control.

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by Jersey Mike

This. [sigh] All kinds of stuff comes out of the woodwork as soon as it seems like things are under control.

He obviously killed and buried people under the football field. Or thats what I heard.

[Jersey Mike]

You joke, but there's some theory about PSU & Ray Gricar--the 2005 missing PA DA who's wife worked for PSU.


Imagine? yikes.

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by 98CamaroSS

IMO it was time to go. No only did he do wrong in not reporting it to the cops, but how much longer was he going to be the head coach anyways??

There is a massive difference to leave as head coach of a huge popular school where you created a great legacy of football teams and players on your own terms, vs being forced out due to a molestation scandal that he was aware of.

[mc73nova]

Paterno did what he was supposed to by reporting it to his higher authority but once he realized nothing further was being done he should have stepped up. How can someone being a father and grandfather feel that he did all he could after realizing nothing ever came of the situation. To be honest reading through the Grand jury report was almost impossible because of what was being described by the victims. Penn State is doing the right thing by washing their hands of people that were knowledgeable of the situation. There are so many things going on in the collegiate world these days, these University's are being forced to take action and not let things fly under the radar anymore. Its about time too, no one is above the law and unfortunately it is happening eight victims too late. It is a joke if people honestly think he did all he could. There are some things you shouldn't go above your supervisor about, this is certainly not one of them.

[79T/A]

Having read the Grand Jury statement posted above, I honestly believe that the true blame for this atrocity rests at the highest level, at least from a LEGAL standpoint. It says very clearly that Pennsylvania law dictates that it is the responsibility of the administration of the school to report the abuse to the proper authorities. It was very clearly not done, and both of the administrators involved (No surprise that one of them was in charge of the money) were deemed not credible witnesses.

I'm not ready to hang Jo Pa or the graduate assistant for their inaction. While we can all argue as to their moral and ethical responsibilities as human beings, the bottom line is that going by the statement provided, they reported their findings up through their chain of command and those ultimately responsible for informing the police failed to do so, preferring to sweep everything under the carpet. It can be argued that when nothing further happened, they should have gone over their bosses' heads and reported it to the police, but we're not talking about a couple of guys flipping burgers or being greeters in WalMart. We're talking about two men with dream jobs that they worked their whole lives for. While ultimately wrong at the core (And apparently Jo Pa himself was quoted as saying that he should have done more), how many of you would be willing to risk everything you've worked for in an instance like this, and risk having to find another means of feeding your family and keeping a roof over their heads? I'm not saying that it's right, just that I understand why it would be difficult.

Ultimately, the blame lies with Sandusky himself. He has not only ruined the lives of at least eight (Known) victims and their families; he's ruined the reputation of his own charitable organization, PSU, and his own family. He may very well not see prison because I wouldn't be surprised if he takes his own life.

[mc73nova]

Paterno was in his 70's when he found out, its not like he just got his big break, he didnt need to worry about anything. Is a job worth risking for the well being of other human beings, in that instance, yes. If they would fire you over reporting something like that then their is obviously something wrong with them. I'm not attacking you, it just amazes me that people actually think he did enough or shouldn't have risked his job for it. Clearly the "what if's" are pointless as well because Im sure people would say I wouldnt care if I lost my job because I dont make the money he does. Then again, what if it was someone you knew that was the victim or even a relative, would his reasoning still be good enough then. No matter what, this is way bigger than Paterno and his career, its about the innocent children that had tough lives to begin with only to be betrayed by a man who was supposed to be there to help. I hope they keep him under supervision 24/7 so he cant kill himself and deal with the consequences. These people have to live with this for the rest of their lives, so should he.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by mc73nova

Paterno was in his 70's when he found out, its not like he just got his big break, he didnt need to worry about anything. Is a job worth risking for the well being of other human beings, in that instance, yes. If they would fire you over reporting something like that then their is obviously something wrong with them. I'm not attacking you, it just amazes me that people actually think he did enough or shouldn't have risked his job for it. Clearly the "what if's" are pointless as well because Im sure people would say I wouldnt care if I lost my job because I dont make the money he does. Then again, what if it was someone you knew that was the victim or even a relative, would his reasoning still be good enough then. No matter what, this is way bigger than Paterno and his career, its about the innocent children that had tough lives to begin with only to be betrayed by a man who was supposed to be there to help. I hope they keep him under supervision 24/7 so he cant kill himself and deal with the consequences. These people have to live with this for the rest of their lives, so should he.

lol what are you talking about dude. paterno had no evidence nor did he eyewitness anything. in paterno's defense he brought it up to the people he should have and it was on the university at that point to do something about it. paterno without proper evidence probably just dismissed it as rumors to ruin a guys career. remember INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY. but i guess everyone here is on their high horse and cant give the guy the benefit of the doubt.

[BonzoHansen]

It's obvious s*it went down. JP ran that place, what he says goes. He said nothing. Total moral failure. Everyone that knew about this needs to go. The more I read the more I think he needed to go sooner rather than later.

[88WS-6]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

From what I have heard he did not see anything 1st hand. He was told by another coach. They then turned in that info to the school. There was also a police investigation that turned up nothing. My guess is this 70-ish year old man at the time wanted to believe in his friend and no one could prove anything. I could be rather wrong. I suspect the real facts are not out yet. Now, paterno seemed to rule the roost there and if he said jump they said how high, so he could have had the guy removed and did not. That is his downfall here I think, at least based on actual public knowledge at this point.

I suspect more facts will come out that will make joe p look worse, based on the penn state actions. although my experience with higher is ed is they are more ****ed up than governments. knee jerk worked out well for the duke lacrosse team.

That's it right there. He's Joe f-ing Paterno. He could have told the police his own mother did it and they would have looked into it. He should have done more and he should feel bad about it. Some people say that he shouldn't go over anyone's heads but wake up. He was king of the castle. He had been there for decades longer than anyone else.

If he had gone to the police and make it public, then what? Sandusky gets caught and no more children are hurt. Maybe Joe Pa gets fired for his actions but then the whole country demands his job back and he's an even bigger legend there.

[MyFirstZ]

If women who go after younger guys are considered cougers, are older men who go after younger boys considered nittany lions?

[88WS-6]

Ouch

[LTb1ow]

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[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

lol what are you talking about dude. paterno had no evidence nor did he eyewitness anything. in paterno's defense he brought it up to the people he should have and it was on the university at that point to do something about it. paterno without proper evidence probably just dismissed it as rumors to ruin a guys career. remember INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY. but i guess everyone here is on their high horse and cant give the guy the benefit of the doubt.

Paterno is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

We aren't talking what's legally right surrounding his departure in particular.

He's not being charged at present

He's not going to go to prison at present

All the man did was lose his job for being too apathetic. In a lot of cases you don't need evidence of anything to fire somebody. It's not any type of legal proceeding. There was rumors of sexual assault in his locker room and all he did was contact his superiors (according to the court documents). It's not like it was a rumor of some guy stealing copy paper or q-tips from the trainer's office. It was rape. Of a child.

He made a bad judgement call and got fired for it. That happens every day. Why should he be special?

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

Paterno is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

We aren't talking what's legally right surrounding his departure in particular.

He's not being charged at present

He's not going to go to prison at present

All the man did was lose his job for being too apathetic. In a lot of cases you don't need evidence of anything to fire somebody. It's not any type of legal proceeding. There was rumors of sexual assault in his locker room and all he did was contact his superiors (according to the court documents). He made a bad judgement call and got fired for it. That happens every day. Why should he be special?

Americans adore football.

He was a great coach.

Therefore, he can do no wrong.

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by LTs1ow

Americans adore football.

He was a great coach.

Therefore, he can do no wrong.

Exactly. Guy was a great coach but made a ****** moral judgement. Why shouldn't he be called on it in any way?