Sixth Gen Time

[sweetbmxrider]

I see them as often as I see stangs and mopar

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by LTb1ow

SS and or Z28 badged ones?

I rarely if ever see that level, mostly sixers.

SS cars yes.

not z28s, they are kind of rare.

I also see 6cyl 4th gens.

[Paul Huryk]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Fifth gen was based on an preexisting chassis designed for large vehicles, the G8/SS/Commodore and even larger cars like the Caprice.
It is hard to make a big car small and keep focused on weight. It's the issue BMW has with the current 5 series as it is based on the same platform as the current 7, and now the 5 is one of the heaviest cars in it's class with a dramatic drop in the "ultimate driving" aspect.

BMW and others have a real problem with "size inflation" - the new 3 series is as large as the 5 series of 2 generations ago, same for the 5 series and so on... Problem is that every generation gets a few inches larger in width, wheelbase, interior size, amenities - so they are getting "fatter".

It is rare to find cars that are light, raw (as in less amenities and weight) these days - the Miata, the new Alfa coupe, and maybe the Mini Cooper. Old stallwarts like the 3 series, Boxster, small MB, and others have gained a lot of weight and have dulled the driving experience.

[Featherburner]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

omg i see 5th gens everywhere. you must be blind. lol

This!
I just drove 14 miles roundtrip and saw 7 5th gen Camaros. 4 were SS and 3 were 6 cylinder models. I even saw a G8 which I hardly ever see.

[NastyEllEssWon]

I guess it just must be the areas. I NEVER see any 5th gens around and when I do theyre always 6 banger trim level. Rarely do I see any SS's and Ive never seen a ZL1 or Z28 up close on the road.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by Featherburner

This!
I just drove 14 miles roundtrip and saw 7 5th gen Camaros. 4 were SS and 3 were 6 cylinder models. I even saw a G8 which I hardly ever see.

the other day i saw a gxp or whatever the uber-g8 was.

historically i bet most camaros & mustangs came with base/lo-perf engines. and the current 300hp V6 engines are better than a lot of old V8s, at least on paper. so it is not surprising that you might see more v6 cars.

[V]

323hp v6's

[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

the other day i saw a gxp or whatever the uber-g8 was.

historically i bet most camaros & mustangs came with base/lo-perf engines. and the current 300hp V6 engines are better than a lot of old V8s, at least on paper. so it is not surprising that you might see more v6 cars.

I just remember typically I'd see as many Camaros on the road as Mustangs over the years but with the 5th gens I'd probably say I see 5 Mustangs to every 5th Gen Camaro and twice as many Challengers. I know the sales figures are there but I just havent seen them around on the roads. In fact I saw 4 new Corvettes this week and cant recall seeing any Camaros other than the ones on the dealer lots on 130. I know Im not just missing them because I dont like them, because everytime I see one I point out how much I dont like them.

[V]

I've seen probably less than 20 2014/2015 camaros since I've gotten my '14. I usually see 1-2 other fifth gens a week.
The 2016 will be nice, and not like the previous years exactly. but still not a big enough change in my opinion. Its more like the c5-c6 corvette changeover. some sharper lines and modified styling but not as big a change as the c4-c5 changeover.

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

Id be interested in seeing that too, also the breakdown of V6 vs V8 performance models because I hardly see any SS's or better roaming around the streets. Theyre all v6 ecocrapboxes, which is fine, I get they need the base model to be able to sell the performance model, but it seems like Chevy is playing catchup in the performance area. Even the Mustangs seem to be EVERYWHERE...Im wondering where the hell all these Camaros that sold are.

I did forget about the new lt1 motor going into the 6th gens...thats pretty cool.

I will say that it's somewhat harder to identify the SS cars now with the revised face. Now, you have to look at the hood, BUT I do see a LOT. And I wouldn't call the V6 "ecocrapboxes" when they offer the most powerful V6 engine.
And Chevy is playing catch up with performance? While they don't offer a 707hp supercharged car that you might or might not be able to buy, depending on the alignment of the planets and the generosity of FCA, Ford and Chrysler have nothing to compete with the Z/28, the Camaro SS offers the best bang for the buck, the 1LE is one of the best drivers cars under 40k, AND the next car is going to be even better!
Ford, they promised a lighter weight IRS equipped Mustang, and what they brought out was reality: a car that is 150-200lbs heavier than the last generation.
Chrysler...well... outside of the hard to get Hellcat and Viper on life support, they have nothing.

Originally Posted by Paul Huryk

BMW and others have a real problem with "size inflation" - the new 3 series is as large as the 5 series of 2 generations ago, same for the 5 series and so on... Problem is that every generation gets a few inches larger in width, wheelbase, interior size, amenities - so they are getting "fatter".

It is rare to find cars that are light, raw (as in less amenities and weight) these days - the Miata, the new Alfa coupe, and maybe the Mini Cooper. Old stallwarts like the 3 series, Boxster, small MB, and others have gained a lot of weight and have dulled the driving experience.

I'm not talking about general "mission creep" of sizes, but the cars they make for each class tend to be heavier than the competition.

There is a focus for many automakers to trim weight. The new ND Miata is a few pounds lighter than the first gen NA, which is quite remarkable.
The Alfa 4C is actually pretty big when compared to cars like the 124, but small for it's class and the Mini has nearly doubled in size.

Originally Posted by V

I've seen probably less than 20 2014/2015 camaros since I've gotten my '14. I usually see 1-2 other fifth gens a week.
The 2016 will be nice, and not like the previous years exactly. but still not a big enough change in my opinion. Its more like the c5-c6 corvette changeover. some sharper lines and modified styling but not as big a change as the c4-c5 changeover.

Design wise, sure, but there will be a dramatic change under the skin and how the car drives.

[BonzoHansen]

i tend to look at the brakes to id them

[maroman88]

i have seen 6 brand new Challenger R/T's and up, this week alone, with temp tags on them

[BonzoHansen]

For those of you that do not follow NJFBOA on twitter or facebook....

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/2016-c...153335171.html

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by V

I've seen probably less than 20 2014/2015 camaros since I've gotten my '14. I usually see 1-2 other fifth gens a week.
The 2016 will be nice, and not like the previous years exactly. but still not a big enough change in my opinion. Its more like the c5-c6 corvette changeover. some sharper lines and modified styling but not as big a change as the c4-c5 changeover.

I can't find it right now but there was an article about this recently. The working premise is that if you have a model that is successful, in both sales and image, it is better to evolve the styling and shape so as to keep the same recognition level as the previous itteration.

The example in the article was that of the 911. If you look at an original and a new one the difference is pretty dramatic in size and shape while still beign basically recognizable. Lining up the generations you can exactly follow how the shape evolved and easily recognize each one as a 911.

The Camaro is a very success model in the segment so it makes sense to follow a similar redesign/evolution model. As long as there are enough physical differences to tell them apart and enough performance/value/comfort updates to make it worthwhile people will, in theory, continue to desire the next one each time it coems along.

[KevinW]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

For those of you that do not follow NJFBOA on twitter or facebook....

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/2016-c...153335171.html

Oops, leaked early! those Darn reporters trying to get scoops

I will have to see them in person for my opinion.

[V]

From my own collection of parts, the 2016's headlight....

[ThoR294]

all I see are 5th gens... Try going to 5th gen... I mean GM nationals. lol. So many 5th gens, and most are v6s!!! I still think the 4 cylinder is silly, and maybe its because I was brought up old school by my father and his big block oldsmobile ways

[ar0ck]

It's nice, I'm seeing the photos flood my Instagram, but the 2014 is my favorite of the latest incarnations.

[V]

I saw pics. Not bad. But not enough to make a huge deal about. The real amazing things would have to lie in what we can't see, like power-trains and handling.
I'm not knocking it, but I'd not throwing on my shoes and running to the dealer to order one either.

[NastyEllEssWon]

This is now officially the worst looking camaro with the last generation coming in slightly in front. Mustang and Challenger all the way.

[The_Bishop]

I don't agree with you. I happen to like the evolving design.

[NastyEllEssWon]

I feel like they never evolved the design. they just killed off the camaro from 2002 and slapped the name tag on the next RWD car because mustangs were raking in money after the camaro was killed. This is why Im a fan of F-bodies and not camaros specifically.

[BigAls87Z28]

All the complaints that most of you have against the fifth gen has been fixed.
Smaller and lighter weight? Check
More Power? Check
Manual transmission standard across all three engines? Boom
Better handling? Done
Better interior? Done and done well

The face looks great and much more aggressive now. I love the headlight design. The rear doesn't sit right with me right now and the body surfacing on the door seems a little high. I don't like the placement of the badges in the lower grill and on the lower part of the bumper.

I've driven the ATS with the 2.0t and 3.6 and I have to say that the ATS with the 3.6 was a very fun drive and it sounded great. The 2.0T was good too, but the overall sensation of speed was felt differently with the 3.6.

And then the LT1...well...that thing is a monster.

[Frosty]

Not enough to make me jump generations. I don't dislike it but I'm not in love with it...exterior wise anyway. The interior is f'in gorgeous....

I do like that it's upwards of 250#'s lighter. Does anyone see the catfish front end?

I guess I'll have to wait until they hit dealerships to reserve final judgement....almost makes me wish I stayed writing service for GM....almost.

[WayFast84]

I think I need to see this car in person and next to a 5th gen.

Originally Posted by LTb1ow

SS and or Z28 badged ones?

I rarely if ever see that level, mostly sixers.

To be fair I've only seen one Z28 and it was at a dealership. I do see a lot of V6's though and a decent amount of V8's.