DOZENS OF PEOPLE OWNED IN STREET RACING BUST IN SOUTH JERZY

[naSSty99ss]

The article said people where complaining about the noise, there building a huge motorsports track across the street from the road that the bust was on.

[NJSPEEDER]

no matter where you are around here. your odds of a safe and fun night with no problems from cops are better at the track. teh crack downs are going to get more frequent and more serious charges will be filed as this all escalates through next year.
take it as a warning, they have stop playing around and picking spots to bust. they wanna end the game. with so many legit racing options, there is no realy reason to risk your life, license, or car over it.

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by naSSty99ss

The article said people where complaining about the noise, there building a huge motorsports track across the street from the road that the bust was on.

people are willing to overlook the noise when it increases their property values and lowers their taxes because the track get burdened with a lot fo the local costs.
there are also restrictions to the hours of operation of a legit facility. street racers seem to think the later the better. for those who have to go to work early in the AM that is sort of a problem.

[j0n]

Originally Posted by Dark_Knight7096

I think his point is street racing if not done without COMPLETE disregard for public saftey is not that dangerous. Those statistics are probably compiled from people street racing in general and most of those statistics come from people doing it on crowded streets. Let's use another example, firing ranges. You go to a firing range and you shoot in a safe organized environment (track situation). So long as you aren't a complete idiot everyone should be safe and you are not putting yourself or anyone else in danger. Say you walk out into the middle of your local city on a long straight street and you start shooting at a target 150yds out. This is not at a range and it is highly dangerous because the area is not controlled and you are posing a great danger to others (street racing on a public street). The sheer fact of your shooting in that type of situation is causing a danger that you can't control. Now say you go out into a desert where nobody is around, you don't have 100% control over the environment but for all intents and purposes you know you can control it. Now you are not at a range, and it is not "organized" or set up into lanes perse, but it is relatively safe and you are not creating a danger for those around you becaues you are taking reasonable precautions to ensure you are safe (street racing like was busted in s. jersey). They were not zipping in and out of traffic they were running on a halfway controllable environment, a speeder on a normal road would pose more of a REALISTIC threat to public saftey than the actions of these individuals. Not saying that what they did was right or legal, but I'm just pointing something out, though I completely agree with the whole medical attention thing.

Excellent metaphor

[98tadriver]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

people are willing to overlook the noise when it increases their property values and lowers their taxes because the track get burdened with a lot fo the local costs.
there are also restrictions to the hours of operation of a legit facility. street racers seem to think the later the better. for those who have to go to work early in the AM that is sort of a problem.

Taxes will never go down. they are constantly on the rise in south jersey.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by 98tadriver

Taxes will never go down. they are constantly on the rise in new jersey.

Fixed.

[JW]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

living in new jersey, you are no more than an hour from some track. yes, it may be a bit more if traffic is bad.
from here in trenton i can get to atco or etown in 45-60 mins, island in a bit over an hour usualy, maple grove in under 1.5 hours, and cecil county is prolly around 1.5 hours depending on how 95 is around the philly airport too. that is 5 tracks in about the same distance i drove to the south meet last saturday!!!!
any of these tracks i will get a minimum of 3 runs, many nights you can get 10+ at several of them. run once, pull right back in the lanes. wanna race someone specific, they will help get you together. wanna gamble on it, no authority figure will give a hoot.
compare that to going out street racing. drive 30 mins to the closest, good, active meeting spot. sit around for an hour + while people trash talk each other and argue about stips then go to another spot, 15 more minutes of driving, and after all that you don't always get a race and the hyped up race doesn't happen half the time.
and even if you do get a run in, you still don't actually have proof of how fast/slow your car is and people argue about who won and where the line is constantly.

Just had to quote you to be the exception to the rule here. I am an 1.5 from Atco, my closest track and when I went I only got 1 run in

JW

[Squirrel]

say 300 people a year die from an incident directly involved with street racing...but what about those 300 people a day that die from legal things, such as smoking?
edit: smoking is a choice blah blah blah...so is street racing, that doesnt make one thing worse than the other

[Savage_Messiah]

A while back in Paramus, my cousin was damn near killed in a racing acident. He was the passenger in one car, driven by his friend, 2 friends in the other car. Other car hit a bump and got lost it into the other car (one my cousin was in), both cars ended up magled wrecks in trees. Somehow my cousins seatbelt got off and he moved his seat down/back (or it just broke off the rack), and tht saved his life because a tree ended up replacing a good part of the passenger side of the car. He was in a coma for weeks, in the hospital for months, and eventually pulled through and recovered.

How much control one driver has doesn't mean ****, because you can never account for all possible situations, and innocent people's lives can be turned upside down. Aside from an occasional highwy punch, you really can not argue that street racing is safe

[98tadriver]

Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah

A while back in Paramus, my cousin was damn near killed in a racing acident. He was the passenger in one car, driven by his friend, 2 friends in the other car. Other car hit a bump and got lost it into the other car (one my cousin was in), both cars ended up magled wrecks in trees. Somehow my cousins seatbelt got off and he moved his seat down/back (or it just broke off the rack), and tht saved his life because a tree ended up replacing a good part of the passenger side of the car. He was in a coma for weeks, in the hospital for months, and eventually pulled through and recovered.

How much control one driver has doesn't mean ****, because you can never account for all possible situations, and innocent people's lives can be turned upside down. Aside from an occasional highwy punch, you really can not argue that street racing is safe

That brings up another thing- Almost everytime i see something on the news about kids dying in street races, there will be like 4 kids in each car, and its a damn shame when innocent people have to die due to the stupidity of the driver(s). Not that im saying its ok, but anytime i raced, if my cameraman wasnt filming from inside the car, i would fly solo. that and 4 kids is like adding .5 second to my 1/4 mile

(but seriously i wouldnt take passengers for the very reason "if something was to happen with them in the car")

[naSSty99ss]

I think street racing has changed in the last 10 years or so. I remeber, about 8 years ago going to probably the best known spot for street racing in Cumberland County(people have been going there since the early70's ) I have seen cops pull up and ask if "we where out here racing" we would say yea and he would reply "just don't drink and race." I've seen this happen many times.Now if you go out there its like a party on the street, people drunk and high.(I saw a kid doing ballons, damn near pass out and go race) It use to be about people having fun racing cars. Now its partying, fighting, and racing cars. I blamn the imports !

[79T/A]

Don't give me that other bs about watching something illegal is therefore encouraging it. You could say the samething about watching pro sports when you kno ppl (either yourself or ppl around you) ILLEGALLY bet on it. if you watch pro sports you "encourage" it. It is the same thing as what happens at Fuds; does that mean the ppl who watch those idiots do burnouts should be ticketed and arrested too? Burnouts in any place other then private properity (you own) or at a track is "illegal".

Actually, I gotta disagree a little bit with this one. Professional sports are a legal activity; street racing is not. There are plenty of people who watch professional sports without betting on them, as there are many who watch street races without betting on them. Those watching were likely charged with trespassing if it was private property (I read the article to mean that the road was a private road). Street racing, or racing on a highway, is a motor vehicle offense enforceable by a traffic summons. I'm just guessing on this, though.

As for the street racing debate, well, we can argue about it until the cows come home but it's just like the great marijuana debate: No matter what you and/or law enforcement think about it, it's still illegal. Whether it's on a quiet private road or a busy city block, it's against the law. And if someone complains about it (Which in this case they obviously did), the cops have to do something.

While I applaud the racers for finding a quiet out of the way place to race as compared to downtown Philly, they knew the risks. They got busted. They'll have to deal with it. Life will go on. I'd be willing to bet some of them will race again.

[Raist103]

they also mailed tickets out to the people who where there the last 3 weekends. so someone was under cover there writing plates down. this is not fair to give out 5 point tickets to people who did not race and just came to see some nice cars. the whole thing is a bunch of **** and cops have more important things to do about bad people with guns, drugs, kids getting killed at schools, shootings in many towns. there is far worst things being done that have not even come close to being fixed or even gotten better that they should work on.

[NJSPEEDER]

the tickets for watching street racing have nothing to do with the betting. it is about all those people you see around screaming "spin 'em" and other such stuff or trying to set up races.
most of those complaints end up dropped from what i have seen and heard over the years. the real intention of those tickets is to make it not worth it for people to go watch, which limits the number of potential racers and potential accident victims by default.
the only people i have ever heard of them following through with the spectating and encouraging an illegal display fo speed are people taht they have direct evidence of setting up street races. that is another reason it is best to keep it all off camera and names and places shoudl never be posted on messages boards. then again, there is always some stooge with a video camera that is jsut dyin to be part of the action and nobody ever stops them. keep an eye on that guy, cause you know all those tickets that got mailed weren't because someone memorized 200 license plates

[jims69camaro]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

stooge with a video camera that is jsut dyin to be part of the action and nobody ever stops them. keep an eye on that guy, cause you know all those tickets that got mailed weren't because someone memorized 200 license plates

qft.

i am against street racing in any form. i have street raced, both in well-known areas and in backwoods areas. i didn't feel any different about it then (it was a race) nor do i feel any different about it now. i was stupid, yet, in my own mind i had rationalized it the way i see some of you doing. street racing is stupid. you cannot handle all contingencies, cannot guarantee that it will be 100% safe, and currently it is illegal. now, if you want to do something, why not start a grassroots effort to get the law repealed?

until then, i will do my racing on the tracks.

[maroman88]

Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah

A while back in Paramus, my cousin was damn near killed in a racing acident. He was the passenger in one car, driven by his friend, 2 friends in the other car. Other car hit a bump and got lost it into the other car (one my cousin was in), both cars ended up magled wrecks in trees. Somehow my cousins seatbelt got off and he moved his seat down/back (or it just broke off the rack), and tht saved his life because a tree ended up replacing a good part of the passenger side of the car. He was in a coma for weeks, in the hospital for months, and eventually pulled through and recovered.

How much control one driver has doesn't mean ****, because you can never account for all possible situations, and innocent people's lives can be turned upside down. Aside from an occasional highwy punch, you really can not argue that street racing is safe

that was just up the street from me, crashed into the trees on the front lawn of bergen regional hospitol, integra and civic i think, they had the cars in hackensack at county PD for a while. also thats a prime example of a place NOT to race. A) its paramus, theres always other cars on the road B) the road curves, where the crash was! C) the crash was just past a major intersection.

i agree, goin to a track sucks. i agree, these ricers that weave all over the highway suck!

[Savage_Messiah]

Originally Posted by Raist103

they also mailed tickets out to the people who where there the last 3 weekends. so someone was under cover there writing plates down. this is not fair to give out 5 point tickets to people who did not race and just came to see some nice cars. the whole thing is a bunch of **** and cops have more important things to do about bad people with guns, drugs, kids getting killed at schools, shootings in many towns. there is far worst things being done that have not even come close to being fixed or even gotten better that they should work on.

Obviously you don't know what happened to Spring valley... went from (decades ago) a chill spot where I've been told cops let races fly as long as they were under control, to ricers coming in and being stupid, to everyone there gettign tickets, to some kid beaten (to death, IIRC) over some honda vs. VW retardedness. That's mostly spectators up there.

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

the tickets for watching street racing have nothing to do with the betting. it is about all those people you see around screaming "spin 'em"

I hate you.

[SStealth2k]

dudeeee ronnnn i forgot to tell u, tom got a street racing ticket mailed to him b.c of tht, and that was from sept,9th... shietttt hes in some trouble now. micheal jackson wont get him outta this haha

[89 Trans Am WS6]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

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there are also restrictions to the hours of operation of a legit facility. street racers seem to think the later the better. for those who have to go to work early in the AM that is sort of a problem.

For most, thats the major point.


Hours of operation. Your not realizing that most of the people at a "organized" street racing event, arnt complete losers that wake up at noon everydayMost of them are the very people who wake up early and go to work each day. Alot of them, like myself may work a 10 hour day. I personally work 7:30-5:30 every day except sunday. Usually later. You figure by the time I go home, shower, get ready and drive to a track that is about 45 minutes away its going to be AT LEAST 8. Island is open till what, 10? 1030? For most, its not really a convinient option. Usually that translates to a back road in sometown NJ, where it is organized, convinient, fun, and relativly safe. Not saying its legal, but its not the two idiots dipping in and out of traffic on 46 at rush hour either.

You also have to think about the local area in relation to "the back roads" aswell. If you think about avenue P, it is infact a isolated area, away from the main roads of newark. Personally I think the actual road surface sucks, but to each their own I guess. Still seems better then people racing lights in spring valley/nanuet or dragging down the parkway.

Believe me tho, cops have alot better things to do then bust street racers. However, the citizens of the surrounding area dont. The guy that said "Police have to respond to a complaint" hit the nail on the head. Generally speaking, unless your running straight down the main street in town, police are not going to bother you, unless there is a complaint. In that case, they cant ignore it, they have to follow up on it. You really cant blame the cops..

btw, the tickets I saw were titled as "Spectating to racing", given out to people I know in both Newark and SV. The people I knew, had them dropped. Just like any other points violation, money talks I guess. :/

And, just for the record, street racing isnt going anywhere. I can say that and I dont even activly participate in the racing. Lets be real tho. Youve been saying "The police are going to be cracking down on this more then ever next year" for years now. Tons of people have on all different sites. Ever notice that most of these "Racing spots" have been around longer then most of us have been alive? To be honest, even if racetracks were open 24 hrs/365 days a year, and there was one in everybodys backyard, people would still street race. I know I can talk to my parents, and they could tell me about racing back in the day, and I could of even talked to my grandparents and they would talk about the old days of hotrodding and racing. Remember, "street" racing was around before any organized racing body. Its always going to be around, in some back alley, in anytown USA. Some will get caught, some wont. It will go on.

Remember, a "little punch on the highway with a friend", "catching a light with someone", or a all out organized back road race, are all forms of street racing. Dont be a hypocrite. If you do it, fine. If you dont, also fine. Just dont go around saying you dont do something, and how wrong it is, if you yourself do it.

[maroman88]

i couldnt agree with the above statement anymore!

[mtnhopper1]

Originally Posted by jims69camaro

qft.

i am against street racing in any form. i have street raced, both in well-known areas and in backwoods areas. i didn't feel any different about it then (it was a race) nor do i feel any different about it now. i was stupid, yet, in my own mind i had rationalized it the way i see some of you doing. street racing is stupid. you cannot handle all contingencies, cannot guarantee that it will be 100% safe, and currently it is illegal. now, if you want to do something, why not start a grassroots effort to get the law repealed?

until then, i will do my racing on the tracks.

Ditto

[oh one ls1 SS]

Originally Posted by Raist103

they also mailed tickets out to the people who where there the last 3 weekends. so someone was under cover there writing plates down. this is not fair to give out 5 point tickets to people who did not race and just came to see some nice cars. the whole thing is a bunch of **** and cops have more important things to do about bad people with guns, drugs, kids getting killed at schools, shootings in many towns. there is far worst things being done that have not even come close to being fixed or even gotten better that they should work on.

dont be mad at the cops for doing their job. street racing is illeagle and everyone that races knows it is illeagle as well. if you do it dont cry when you get busted.

[Raist103]

Originally Posted by oh one ls1 SS

dont be mad at the cops for doing their job. street racing is illeagle and everyone that races knows it is illeagle as well. if you do it dont cry when you get busted.

im not mad i dont hang there and did not get any tickets. my friend got the tickets and he did not race so i am saying bs to the cops for giving 5 point racing tickets to people who did not race.

[Slow Z]

You gotta be retarded to race on that side street everyone got busted on, it's 1 way in 1 way out, narrow, downhill, and BUMPY. The fast cars have always run on the main road... We've been racing there for YEARS without problems but of course all the retards gotta ruin it. 2-3 years ago that road was so desolate it was common for untagged open header race cars to go out there, come off the trailer, and make a few passes.

Now idiots go out there and basically party and race their 15 second cars up and down the road. I'm not saying street racing is smart or safe but if you're going to do it, do it right. Anytime I race it's gotta be: 1-2AM, nobody standing/parked past the starting line, no passengers, and on a road that has no side streets or traffic (like the one that got busted - my ol' favorite road). Only people who risk getting hurt are the 2 drivers. Get the race off and leave - no need to be there any longer than 15 minutes. We did it like that for years until, as usual, word gets around and it turns into a party spot for a hundred retards every weekend at 10PM.

[Jersey_TA]

Originally Posted by 86Formula

6 of the people that got busted work with me a Bestbuy... all ricers... i couldnt help but laugh

ahahahahahahaha