New Camaro with less camo.....

[firebirdcrazy]

I would wait another yr after the Camaro comes out to see what Pontiac plans to put out to match the Camaro. If nothing comes up then a top model Red Camaro Convertible will be my choice. My understanding there may be a retro GTO in the works.

[qwikz28]

Originally Posted by firebirdcrazy

I would wait another yr after the Camaro comes out to see what Pontiac plans to put out to match the Camaro. If nothing comes up then a top model Red Camaro Convertible will be my choice. My understanding there may be a retro GTO in the works.

we already know what pontiac is doing. nothing. all the protesting from teh pontiac community won't change that

[firebirdcrazy]

What you all think of the G8? I like that fullsize sedan style, and putting down alot more horsepower then the F bodies. Probably to make up for the weight.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

it is funny to hear all the negatives that some people throw around when the camaro is mentioned.

challenger? thats funny. i guess you missed the pictures of it getting pushed at teh woodward dream cruise, or the fact that it is such a heap that here we sit 6 months after the initial delivery date and none have hit the street yet, and this is all before you get to the over weight and overpriced car. is it nice looking, yes. is it built on a good riding platform, yes. is it any kind of competition in the pony car market, hell no.

mustang GT. this is another classic. the mustang gt is not 25k well equiped, it is 25k for a base V8 with only 300hp. it is also a car that does not ride very well, has a lot of interior noise, comes with half the warranty of any GM product, and isn't even quick/fast enough to beat a 2002 F-Body much less the proposed 400hp new camaro.

the 350Z is a gutless car with very cool styling. it is typical of the weight of recent generations of camaros and mustang but with the subtraction of the torque that the V8 cars enjoy. i am sorry, but having driving them before i can tell you that the 260ish ft/lbs(can't remember the exact number) is not enough to get the car going. add on the inflated price and i only see this car moving on image sales. anyone who is planning to use the car in a spirited manner, shoudl look elsewhere.

it remains to be seen if the new camaro will live up to the surrounding hype or not, but it is certainly a better car on paper than any of the direct competition. that is a good start. for a few thousands bucks more than a mustang GT and a bit less than the 350Z you get a bunch more car than either brand is offering.

I dont agree w/ any of that. The newer 350z's run 13.2's-13.5@105.xx-107.xx w/ anywhere from 1.9-2.2 short times bone stock , if thats not LS1 times then im not sure what is. I have owned 4 4th gen fbods and have driven in a few newer GT's and the ride was not only quieter but much smoother. The average american buyer could careless about horsepower differance's which is one big reason why the stang is still around and the fbody isnt. As soon as the electonic nanny is taken care of on the 3V GT's they run pretty evenly w/ most LS1's. Its also kinda lame to be comming out w/ a 400 hp fbod in 2009-10 when you can get that in a 2005 GTO.

[qwikz28]

Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyAntz

I dont agree w/ any of that. The newer 350z's run 13.2's-13.5@105.xx-107.xx w/ anywhere from 1.9-2.2 short times bone stock , if thats not LS1 times then im not sure what is. I have owned 4 4th gen fbods and have driven in a few newer GT's and the ride was not only quieter but much smoother. The average american buyer could careless about horsepower differance's which is one big reason why the stang is still around and the fbody isnt. As soon as the electonic nanny is taken care of on the 3V GT's they run pretty evenly w/ most LS1's. Its also kinda lame to be comming out w/ a 400 hp fbod in 2009-10 when you can get that in a 2005 GTO.

you kinda contradicted yourself in there in response to your last sentence. horsepower is so excessive at this point. more people care about drivability and features nowadays...

[Tru2Chevy]

Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyAntz

I dont agree w/ any of that. The newer 350z's run 13.2's-13.5@105.xx-107.xx w/ anywhere from 1.9-2.2 short times bone stock , if thats not LS1 times then im not sure what is. I have owned 4 4th gen fbods and have driven in a few newer GT's and the ride was not only quieter but much smoother. The average american buyer could careless about horsepower differance's which is one big reason why the stang is still around and the fbody isnt. As soon as the electonic nanny is taken care of on the 3V GT's they run pretty evenly w/ most LS1's. Its also kinda lame to be comming out w/ a 400 hp fbod in 2009-10 when you can get that in a 2005 GTO.

To use your own argument against you.....yea, LS1s ran those times - 10 years ago.

As for the comment about a 400hp F-body, well, maybe I just missed the big news, but when did GM announce what engines will be available in the Camaro as well as the hp numbers that they will be making?

Oh that's right, they didn't....so your comment is based on nothing but speculation.

- Justin

[Fast92RS]

I just read in Camaro performers magazine that gm will offer a couple engines in the new Camaro including a 3.6 direct injection V6, a base model v8 and a z28 type V8 making close to 500 hp. I dont know where they got this info from buts its in the new Camaro performers mag. If this is true the new 3.6 v6 makes some decent power in the new CTS with a version making 263 hp and the direct injection one making 304 hp.

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by firebirdcrazy

I would wait another yr after the Camaro comes out to see what Pontiac plans to put out to match the Camaro. If nothing comes up then a top model Red Camaro Convertible will be my choice. My understanding there may be a retro GTO in the works.

No retro GTO. I dont think that it would work well with Pontiac's image overall moving foward. Having a bunch of cars looking like the G8, G6, and Solstice...and then a modern 67 GTO?
Pontiac will bring over the Ute as teh G8 ST, a V8 only truck. I think that GM could get away with not putting on AFM in this one, so they can offer either 6spd auto or manual. Lutz is quoted as saying its like the Camaro that can hold 2 dirt bikes.

Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyAntz

I dont agree w/ any of that. The newer 350z's run 13.2's-13.5@105.xx-107.xx w/ anywhere from 1.9-2.2 short times bone stock , if thats not LS1 times then im not sure what is. I have owned 4 4th gen fbods and have driven in a few newer GT's and the ride was not only quieter but much smoother. The average american buyer could careless about horsepower differance's which is one big reason why the stang is still around and the fbody isnt. As soon as the electonic nanny is taken care of on the 3V GT's they run pretty evenly w/ most LS1's. Its also kinda lame to be comming out w/ a 400 hp fbod in 2009-10 when you can get that in a 2005 GTO.

New 350Z ran 13.2? I have yet to see one get out of the high 13's. 350Z's are matched with the LT1 cars. Maybe driven by a solid driver, the car could get near a 98-00 LS1 auto car, but outside of that would be hard to see.
Stang is stilla round and the Fbody isnt for several reasons. It is about ergonomics, yes, but there are other things. The current GT does come pretty close to LS1 cars, but I have yet to see them hit high 12's with such frequency as the LS1 cars did.

Its not lame. Camaro will have several powerplants. Camaro will start off with a V6 engine that will probably have the same power as teh LT1 did a decade ago. You will have a V8 UNDER 400hp, then another V8 OVER 400, and then a super Camaro with an LS8 under the hood.

In all honesty, if you gave me the choice of a 400hp GTO and a 275hp V6 Camaro....Im in Camaro. I have never fell in love with any other car like I have for Camaro.

Originally Posted by Fast92RS

I just read in Camaro performers magazine that gm will offer a couple engines in the new Camaro including a 3.6 direct injection V6, a base model v8 and a z28 type V8 making close to 500 hp. I dont know where they got this info from buts its in the new Camaro performers mag. If this is true the new 3.6 v6 makes some decent power in the new CTS with a version making 263 hp and the direct injection one making 304 hp.

Yeah, thats pretty close, but I dont think we will see the DI 3.6 for some time. The DI motor will be exclusive to Caddy for a bit more, then go company wide, especially when everyone else is putting them into mainstream cars.