Losing faith in American cars...

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by miketa95

I've Driven a 2010 Camaro SS too, and I have to say both my girlfriends 2010 TSX (minus the torque steer on heavy acceleration) and my Sister's 03 g35 coupe handle worlds better than that car.

I think you are experiencing better steering feel, not actual better handling.
Camaro's steering is very heavy compared to both of those cars. But handle better? G35 might be close.

As for the Tundra, better check that recall list.....

[qwikz28]

From what I understand, although I haven't driven it, the new Camaro is very capable, but compared to other dedicated sports cars in the segment, it is very mild. I'm hoping GM does what it can to reduce the weight of the 6th gen.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Am I the only one who finds it ironic that as a whole Americans complain about overweight cars yet they themselves are just as overweight?

(Not a jab at anyone here obviously)

[qwikz28]

Originally Posted by Anti_Rice_Guy

Am I the only one who finds it ironic that as a whole Americans complain about overweight cars yet they themselves are just as overweight?

(Not a jab at anyone here obviously)

It's a general mentality of liking more. It is the American way.

[Iroc-z86]

toyota trucks are garbage, there was a test on flex and how a truck handled over bumps and obstacles and the toyota failed horribly while the gm and ford passed with flying colors. I dont understand why people buy that jap crap. Every time i hear a door close it sounds like its going to fall off. My 25 year old camaro which is all metal sounds better.

German cars are good. for a luxury car im audi all the way. ive driven a few and i just really like them. Im not a fan of bmw or Mercedes tho.

and i dont understand why peope hate gm so much. my family has owned several of them and its just normal wear. the worst thing that broke on my moms truck is the 4wd motor, trans and oil cooling lines. after 180k and 12 years i dont think thats bad at all.

[miketa95]

My truck has 79k miles and it's an 06 with the 5.3 motor. It's really not that old. I shouldn't be replacing air conditioners, having transmission problems, burning oil like crazy, replacing axle seals twice, needing a new radio/a/c controls because the originals blew out, never have a full set of functional lights, having to replace a steering column, and more. And on top of that, I'm still doing the wear and tear things, like tires, brakes, hubs. I thought my trans am was bad bc it needed so many repairs, but this truck is worse. Maybe I won't go for a Toyota in the end, but I sure as hell am not getting a GM truck ever again. When the TA broke down, it wasn't such a big deal because it was just a fun car and I could get a ride from someone while it was getting fixed. Now I have a Silverado and I rely on it for my buisness. When the thing is always broken, falling apart, or making embarrassing loud noises because something is messed up again, It really hurts my company, my income, and in the end I'm practically working just to keep the truck up. It's no wonder why all of the competition drive Superduty's. I'm just saying, It is a fact that GM made, and still makes (imo) much lower quality vehicles than their competition all the way across the board. The little things are the killer. Obviously GM can make good performing, fun cars when they want to (like the vette, f-body, gto, etc..) but as for quality, they are lacking.

[JL8Jeff]

Originally Posted by miketa95

My truck has 79k miles and it's an 06 with the 5.3 motor. It's really not that old. I shouldn't be replacing air conditioners, having transmission problems, burning oil like crazy, replacing axle seals twice, needing a new radio/a/c controls because the originals blew out, never have a full set of functional lights, having to replace a steering column, and more. And on top of that, I'm still doing the wear and tear things, like tires, brakes, hubs. I thought my trans am was bad bc it needed so many repairs, but this truck is worse. Maybe I won't go for a Toyota in the end, but I sure as hell am not getting a GM truck ever again. When the TA broke down, it wasn't such a big deal because it was just a fun car and I could get a ride from someone while it was getting fixed. Now I have a Silverado and I rely on it for my buisness. When the thing is always broken, falling apart, or making embarrassing loud noises because something is messed up again, It really hurts my company, my income, and in the end I'm practically working just to keep the truck up. It's no wonder why all of the competition drive Superduty's. I'm just saying, It is a fact that GM made, and still makes (imo) much lower quality vehicles than their competition all the way across the board. The little things are the killer. Obviously GM can make good performing, fun cars when they want to (like the vette, f-body, gto, etc..) but as for quality, they are lacking.

Did you buy it new? The truck sounds like a lemon and should have been returned. But if you bought it used I think you're out of luck. My 01 has more miles and none of the problems you are having so don't assume they are all like yours. But all manufacturers have lemons and that is why there is a law to protect consumers to some extent.

[Iroc-z86]

Yeah it does sound like a lemon, my gf just bought a 2010 liberty, on day two of owning it with 54 miles on it the est(stability control) computer blew out along with three of the 4 wheel sensors. Then the drivers window track broke, then every now and then the trans makes a weird noise. i think this one is a lemon and luckily she bought it new so we can do something if it becomes a big problem.

My buddy bought an 03 sierra that was used a plow truck....big mistake. that thing had more problems than any other car/truck. but then again the previous owner just beat the crap out of it and traded it in.

[Mark B]

My 01 GMC Sierra has 166k on it and runs like a top. Only problem is a leaking oil pan gasket.

I find it amazing that people continue to compare GM cars to Mercedes & BMW's. How are you going to compare a 25k Malibu to a 60k Mercedes and call it a fair fight? Not to mention, to get any kind of "performance" mercedes, you are talking 100k+. I would much rather have three 2SS Camaros.

[Slow-V6]

Originally Posted by Mark B

My 01 GMC Sierra has 166k on it and runs like a top. Only problem is a leaking oil pan gasket.

I find it amazing that people continue to compare GM cars to Mercedes & BMW's. How are you going to compare a 25k Malibu to a 60k Mercedes and call it a fair fight? Not to mention, to get any kind of "performance" mercedes, you are talking 100k+. I would much rather have three 2SS Camaros.

Why dont people compare a CTS-V vrs a M3?

[FlyingDutchman]

Originally Posted by miketa95

My truck has 79k miles and it's an 06 with the 5.3 motor. It's really not that old. I shouldn't be replacing air conditioners, having transmission problems, burning oil like crazy, replacing axle seals twice, needing a new radio/a/c controls because the originals blew out, never have a full set of functional lights, having to replace a steering column, and more. And on top of that, I'm still doing the wear and tear things, like tires, brakes, hubs. I thought my trans am was bad bc it needed so many repairs, but this truck is worse. Maybe I won't go for a Toyota in the end, but I sure as hell am not getting a GM truck ever again. When the TA broke down, it wasn't such a big deal because it was just a fun car and I could get a ride from someone while it was getting fixed. Now I have a Silverado and I rely on it for my buisness. When the thing is always broken, falling apart, or making embarrassing loud noises because something is messed up again, It really hurts my company, my income, and in the end I'm practically working just to keep the truck up. It's no wonder why all of the competition drive Superduty's. I'm just saying, It is a fact that GM made, and still makes (imo) much lower quality vehicles than their competition all the way across the board. The little things are the killer. Obviously GM can make good performing, fun cars when they want to (like the vette, f-body, gto, etc..) but as for quality, they are lacking.

Im going out on a limb here, but do you really expect to drive offroad in the mud and not have problems? Im just basing that off your sig pic. Id expect to have a **** load of problems too if I abused my f-body . . . just saying.

[Tru2Chevy]

Originally Posted by fmybody

BUTTT i will say this my e30 bmw odometer is stuck at 256k miles and that has got to be at least 50k miles ago... i drive over 75 miles daily on the biotch and since ive had it (prob 6 years) ive only had to replace a water pump a fuel pump andddddd thats it lol

i know its old as hell but still bmw and still german engineered anddd still running strong

Originally Posted by fmybody

lol yeah the dd is acting up... sometimes when i turn the key it starts no problem, sometimes its a delay and then starts no problem, and sometimes it just doesnt start at all.

my guess is some kind of ground loose or a loose connection some where?

car is a 91 bmw 325i

Couldn't help but LOL after reading your thread in the tech section....

- Justin

[qwikz28]

Originally Posted by Mark B

My 01 GMC Sierra has 166k on it and runs like a top. Only problem is a leaking oil pan gasket.

I find it amazing that people continue to compare GM cars to Mercedes & BMW's. How are you going to compare a 25k Malibu to a 60k Mercedes and call it a fair fight? Not to mention, to get any kind of "performance" mercedes, you are talking 100k+. I would much rather have three 2SS Camaros.

That comparison was never made in this thread, or likely ever. Comparing a CTS and a 3 series or C-class is fair though.

[MyFirstZ]

im still thrown up between the 3 or 5 series being the comparison with a cts.

i love my american cars alot but i had the intake box off the m3 with the s65 v8 with individual throttle bodies at work today. That thing sucked the freaking air out of a ten foot radius almost passed out revving it from lack of oxygen. hahaha

BMW are really something else but i will never give up my ls1 anything for one. Even as torquey as the m5 and m6's are, they just dont have that muscle car feel that we have all grown to love.

i want to try out the 335d's, they are supposed to be pretty torquey for a 6.

[qwikz28]

Originally Posted by MyFirstZ

im still thrown up between the 3 or 5 series being the comparison with a cts.

It fits in between them in terms of size.

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by MyFirstZ

im still thrown up between the 3 or 5 series being the comparison with a cts.

i love my american cars alot but i had the intake box off the m3 with the s65 v8 with individual throttle bodies at work today. That thing sucked the freaking air out of a ten foot radius almost passed out revving it from lack of oxygen. hahaha

BMW are really something else but i will never give up my ls1 anything for one. Even as torquey as the m5 and m6's are, they just dont have that muscle car feel that we have all grown to love.

i want to try out the 335d's, they are supposed to be pretty torquey for a 6.

M5 torquey? Powerful, yes, but torque is not their strong suit.

335d is a diesel, it should have tons of torque.


CTS is the size of the 5, priced like a 3, and cannot compete with either one directly.
3 series is your primer sports sedan, and while the CTS is a great car, it just too big and heavy to fight it directly.
The 5 offers too much over the CTS, from interior trim options to powertrains, its just a super higher class car, but the price dictates taht.

Not untill the ATS shows up, the CTS will remain a "tweener"

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by 97camaro

Im going out on a limb here, but do you really expect to drive offroad in the mud and not have problems? Im just basing that off your sig pic. Id expect to have a **** load of problems too if I abused my f-body . . . just saying.

I thought the same thing. mudding isnt exactly the easiest thing to put a truck through. kinda like slapping yourself in the face and asking why it hurts so much.

[chknhwk01]

american, the best muscle a round, player,s,,, dig it dawg.......
over the killer,s cobro jet, little work 8 sec... 427 zo6, very little
work, 10 secs... 6.1 dodge, with a super charger, an a little work 10.50..
americannnnnnnnnnnnn.muscle at its ''bestttttttttttttttt''......
can you dig it,''''''''warrior,zzzzzzzzzzzz......

[91chevywt]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

I thought the same thing. mudding isnt exactly the easiest thing to put a truck through. kinda like slapping yourself in the face and asking why it hurts so much.

It's probably as hard on a truck as plowing snow, if not more depending on what you drive through and how.

Originally Posted by chknhwk01

american, the best muscle a round, player,s,,, dig it dawg.......
over the killer,s cobro jet, little work 8 sec... 427 zo6, very little
work, 10 secs... 6.1 dodge, with a super charger, an a little work 10.50..
americannnnnnnnnnnnn.muscle at its ''bestttttttttttttttt''......
can you dig it,''''''''warrior,zzzzzzzzzzzz......

This is exactly what I wanted to say but I don't posses the descrive abilities to do so. I can dig it

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by chknhwk01

american, the best muscle a round, player,s,,, dig it dawg.......
over the killer,s cobro jet, little work 8 sec... 427 zo6, very little
work, 10 secs... 6.1 dodge, with a super charger, an a little work 10.50..
americannnnnnnnnnnnn.muscle at its ''bestttttttttttttttt''......
can you dig it,''''''''warrior,zzzzzzzzzzzz......

1. Are you a wrestler? or did you skip typing class

2. As annoying as it is to read your posts, I can't help but laugh at the same time lol

3. understandable with the little work results in huge gains of horsepower, but handling ( which the post is about) and quality is another issue. I enjoy Amreican cars, but when road racing, I would prefer to have a european or Japanese market car.

[Mark B]

Originally Posted by Slow-V6

Why dont people compare a CTS-V vrs a M3?

They do...

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/com...cedes-c63-amg/

Plus the CTS-V is the size of the M5... Not the M3

And heres the M5 comparison...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQp5i...eature=channel

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

1. Are you a wrestler? or did you skip typing class

2. As annoying as it is to read your posts, I can't help but laugh at the same time lol

You'd have to know him in person to understand....trust me on that one.

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by Frosty

You'd have to know him in person to understand....trust me on that one.

I had a feeling I would have to

[fmybody]

Originally Posted by Tru2Chevy

Couldn't help but LOL after reading your thread in the tech section....

- Justin

hahaha we have a love hate relationship =/ but you wait! once i fix her shell back back no prob!

comon.. the cars got over 300k miles.. engine has never been rebuilt.. thats way beyond any life expectancy of a car! give it its props!

[Tru2Chevy]

Originally Posted by fmybody

hahaha we have a love hate relationship =/ but you wait! once i fix her shell back back no prob!

comon.. the cars got over 300k miles.. engine has never been rebuilt.. thats way beyond any life expectancy of a car! give it its props!

Yea, I know. I was just bustin' stones.

- Justin