Gas Prices are ********

[79CamaroDiva]

ugh. i was starting to doubt buying hhr for mileage was a good idea... now, im glad. i'm still on my first tank, and have gone back and forth to pompton lakes, pauls house, food shopping, cruises... yes, its a good thing.

[BigAls87Z28]

oil is over 4 bucks now on the new news....
GREAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!

[79CamaroDiva]

lol.. point the finger somewhere else...

http://www.cnbc.com/id/25933290/for/cnbc/

[SteveR]

what a scumbag.

[79CamaroDiva]

so.. instead of making existing oil cheaper, we're going to spend more money to drill protected waters and possibly kill of 100s of species of animals.. smart. real smart.

[BigAls87Z28]

But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has ignored calls by Republican leaders for a vote on lifting the drilling bans in Atlantic and Pacific waters, arguing that oil companies already have vast areas available for drilling but have chosen not to do so.

"The president has failed in his economic policy, and now he wants to say, `But for drilling in protected areas offshore, our economy would be thriving and the price of gas would be lower,'" Pelosi said Wednesday. "That hoax is unworthy of the serious debate we must have to relieve the pain of consumers at the pump and to promote energy independence."

[JL8Jeff]

The real blame is on Americans for buying gas guzzling oversize vehicles and driving them all over the place for no reason. You can only use so much gas before the supply can't keep up with demand. That controls the price of gas, not speculators. Don't try blaming one party or the other, both are to blame.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva

so.. instead of making existing oil cheaper, we're going to spend more money to drill protected waters and possibly kill of 100s of species of animals.. smart. real smart.

...and how would you suggest doing that? How about lifting the ridiculous EPA laws, the 8+ different blends of gas that have to be made...how about lifting the federal gas tax just for a bit.

People can blame Bush for EVERYTHING which seems like the bandwagon however Congress and BOTH sides have accomplished NOTHING.

Also, as far as the killing 100's of species...drilling is more safe now than ever. Have you seen the spot in ANWR they want to drill at? It's a barren frozen tundra in the winter and a swampy Everglades type area in the summer. It's very similar to Prudhoe Bay. The wildlife just fine there. People keep saying drilling won't help now, probably right but do you want to put your faith in Ethanol? Do you want to be saying "we should have drilled" 10yrs in the future? We have enough energy sources to do our own thing for the next 60-100 years...but we might hurt a f'in caribou in the process. We BOUGHT Alaska for this very reason, OIL. The governor wants to do it, hell the citizens want it, who are we to say they can't do what they want, they live with the consequences up there, not us.

We did this to ourselves, we have no one to blame but us(sure, there other factors) but WE, as a country let this happen. Administration after administration dating back to Nixon's time ignore calls for us to do our own thing, to NOT rely on foreign oil, now we're paying for it. We're not going to wake up tomorrow and have renewable energy sources. It's going to take time and a ton of money...oh...and no red tape from the environmentalists(yes, even THEY have tried blocking solar and wind power).

The only real way to control gas prices is to do with China is doing, subsidize gas prices. Do we REALLY want to go down that road? Do we really want them involved in yet another aspect of business? No thanks.

We're actually lucky it's taken this long for prices to go up. Our dollar fell a lot in the last few years which directly relates to oil prices. Our dollar falling creates inflation, a lot of other stuff has gone up over the years, gas prices have lagged behind. It's finally caught up.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has ignored calls by Republican leaders for a vote on lifting the drilling bans in Atlantic and Pacific waters, arguing that oil companies already have vast areas available for drilling but have chosen not to do so.

"The president has failed in his economic policy, and now he wants to say, `But for drilling in protected areas offshore, our economy would be thriving and the price of gas would be lower,'" Pelosi said Wednesday. "That hoax is unworthy of the serious debate we must have to relieve the pain of consumers at the pump and to promote energy independence."

Thank you. She's done nothing but whine and whine and whine. She's still patting herself on the back for the wind farm she help create in Texas. It's a shame a nuclear power plant would've been cheaper and produced more power.

At least something got accomplished though.

[BigAls87Z28]

I actually quoted that in support of her.

What the Reps and Bush would love is to expand the already large lease they have on land off shore so that there IS more oil to pump, and at higher costs, means higher profits of said oil being pumped out.

And, it STILL doesnt make a single refinery get an upgrade. It still doesnt allow a new one to be built!
And we STILL will be stuck on OIL!! WHICH IS THE WHOLE ****ING REASON THAT WE ARE IN THIS MESS!! University of Georgia just discoverd how to increase ethanol yeild on switchblade and crabgrass 10 fold without using dangerious chemicals.
Where is the goverments interest in this? Why were Ethanol flex fuel vehicles left out of any CAFE requirements? Why is the goverment turning its back on a source of fuel that America could sell for PROFIT and be energy independant!!! What oil we pump from off the coast now, plus what we get from Mexico and Canada could help give us what little fuel we need to mix in with the Ethanol.
Costs to update cars to Ethanol would be a few hundred bucks compared to hybrid and diesel cars.

Lots of ideas out there, nothing being done. Repubs want to drill for more oil, Dems want to throw up wind towers. There is no middle ground.

[Frosty]

Dude we CAN'T build new refineries, the EPA laws don't allow it, hell the energy companies are still upgrading just to meet the new EPA standards(ExxonMobil just spent $450 million in Joliet, IL). There are other refineries that are in the same situation.

We are NOT in the mess because we're stuck on oil, we're stuck on FOREIGN oil.

To just snap a finger and switch to a different fuel is suicide. It's something that needs to gradually happen. We have an abundant amount of fossil energy here, why not use it?

Like I said a million other times though, there's NO reason why we can't do it ALL. Drill, build refineries, go nuclear, invest in renewable sources. To be on one side of the fence on either side is flat out ignorant(not saying you are_.

How about the Dems being dead set against pausing the fed gas tax yet not a single one of them will be paying it in Denver at the DNC? Pretty f'in ignorant, none of these politicians care, they get their gas cards and their 6 figure salaries, they're not impacted by these prices. They'd rather push whatever agenda they won't not matter how ridiculous it is. There so much red tape that even the alternative idea will take DECADES to become mainstream. There is no magic wand that will drop these prices tomorrow. However giving up on oil is ludicrous. It's worked for decades, we just handled it wrong.

[SteveR]

Originally Posted by Frosty

We are NOT in the mess because we're stuck on oil, we're stuck on FOREIGN oil.

It has nothing to do with foreign oil, OPEC is selling the oil to us at a low price, its the speculators that are driving it up $100 a barrel.

[Frosty]

...our **** dollar isn't helping either.

Expecting Bush or Congress to address this would be a pipe dream.

[SteveR]

yea no kidding. Its hard as a nation to compete with the Euro which consists of multiple nations.

[SteveR]

Speaking of gas prices, saw the first signs of it coming down here in E County. Drove by two places by my house on the way home, one at 3.69, the other at 3.67.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by SteveR

yea no kidding. Its hard as a nation to compete with the Euro which consists of multiple nations.

True but we kinda did this to ourselves too. The Fed was out of control for a while flooding the market with a ton of money. I know it was in the idea of trying to slow or stop inflation but it didn't work.

You watch, if SOMEONE(whether it be McCain or Barock YoMamma) can get the dollar on track the price of oil will dramatically drop.

[Jam]

yeah. the gas stations are robbing us. It should be like $3.50 a gallon but instead they like taking their time and slowly dropping the prices. They really didn't make that much during the recession.... so now they're trying to make like $50,000 + a month!!!

I have an idea. SteveR why don't you gather an army of sheep, dye them black, and march across AMERICA!!!!!!

[Frosty]

Actually the gas stations don't make jack **** on gas, that's why a lot of them aren't taking credit cards any more, any profits they see are eaten up but the CC fees. Now, on the food and beverages...that's another story.

[Jam]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Actually the gas stations don't make jack **** on gas, that's why a lot of them aren't taking credit cards any more, any profits they see are eaten up but the CC fees. Now, on the food and beverages...that's another story.

they are now making like 30 - 40cents a gallon. ......

[SteveR]

Originally Posted by JamZ28

I have an idea. SteveR why don't you gather an army of sheep, dye them black, and march across AMERICA!!!!!!

now theres a movie idea

[79CamaroDiva]

Originally Posted by SteveR

Speaking of gas prices, saw the first signs of it coming down here in E County. Drove by two places by my house on the way home, one at 3.69, the other at 3.67.

really? fill up there before you come here.. still 3.75 here

[Tru2Chevy]

Originally Posted by JamZ28

they are now making like 30 - 40cents a gallon. ......

Not even close....more like 3-4 cents a gallon.

- Justin

[Jam]

i just worked at a gas station ....but okay...

[Frosty]

Maybe your gas station makes that much but national average is NOWHERE near that man.

[chemicalstylez]

I blame the EPA. No more refineries is killing us. We don't even pollute the world all that much anymore. Damn tree huggin democrats killing us.

The Sunoco in Pitman is $3.69 for regular and $3.91 for super. And the REAL Sewell has a US Gas also thats $3.69 for regular and $3.91 for super. Both are on Woodbury-Glassboro Rd.

Gas stations are taking advantage, the guy I know with a shop and station purposely is rasing his prices on CC charges to 7 cents a gallon and since last year has jumped all his gas 4 cents a gallon no matter what. Just sits back and counts his money all day, he isn't losing anything on gas.

Edit: Plus you think since our country used 10 billion less gallons of gas that we did in the previous year it would also help lower prices too....were seriously getting screwed.