Joe Paterno is gone as head coach of PSU

[BigAls87Z28]

He had to have known. If anyone works in a building with a large amount of people, you are BOUND to find out all the little private details about Sussie's date the other night, or how Larry banged the girl in logistics. For Paterno not to know this massive event to happen over a 20 year stretch...impossible.

[Tru2Chevy]

Originally Posted by nastyellesswon

he knew of allegations. Innocent until proven guilty. He cant just throw someone to the wolves over allegations especially when there was a police investigation that turned up nothing.

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

Dude, for the last time- he's not in a legal proceeding.

Where is Paterno being charged in a court of law?

I could be wrong, but my take on Jay's comments about "innocent until proven guilty" are that he was making reference to sandusky, not paterno. I read his comments as him saying that, at the time, there was no proof that sandusky had been raping young boys, and there had even been a police investigation into prior allegations against sandusky that resulted in no charges being filed against him, so paterno likely didn't think it was actually happening, or at least not to the extent that the details in the grand jury report say that it is. Thinking in this mindset, merely reporting the info to his superiors and washing his hands of the entire matter doesn't seem so bad.

At least that's how I interpret what Jay was trying to say.

- Justin

[Frosty]

Yeah, that's what he's saying.

[NastyEllEssWon]

yes thats what im saying. after an investigation from the school and police officials paterno probably just chalked it up to false allegations for some type of grudge. thats how im viewing it. it was reported again and now evidence turned up....how is that paternos fault. seems to me those running prior investigations just dropped the ball and now paterno is a scapegoat

[WildBillyT]

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...sex-abuse?lite

PDF is up as well.

[elle]

Anyone who didn't think paterno looked the other way.........

Tear that statue down!

[LTb1ow]

Isn't this guy dead and the other guy in jail?

[WildBillyT]

Other d00dz involved too.

[NastyEllEssWon]

innocent until proven guilty....seems now is the point to where the innocence is depleted. i quite just dont know what to say about this turn of events

[WildBillyT]

A wall of plaques near the statue also contains a Paterno quote: "They asked me what I'd like written about me when I'm gone. I hope they write I've made Penn State a better place, not just that I was a good football coach."

Sorry Joe but you hoped wrong. Looks like they are even taking down the statue this weekend.

[LTb1ow]

Will the statue be destroyed or auctioned off?

[Jersey Mike]

So much for being remembered for the positives and not the negatives.

This statue out-roar isn't something the university brought up, correct--It's something some coaches and then the media brought up? The board/president are sending a message either which way they go here, and it's going to be interpreted/misinterpreted accordingly: A) Reputation is king, a la the NCAA/half-the-public. "We'll fold and sell you out if it there's enough pressure to do so." B) We *don't* care what the mobs say, and I'm sorry student athletes, but we're taking our chances with the NCAA. "We support child rape."

[BonzoHansen]

when you help cover up and in essence enable child molestation, the goods suddenly pale in comparison.

[Jersey Mike]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

when you help cover up and in essence enable child molestation, the goods suddenly pale in comparison.

I think the conflict lies in the hypocrisy involved. The cover up, as all cover-ups are, was a decision made with reputation, public image, and future in mind. PSU-Admin may be getting steam-rolled, but the argument is, by tearing down the statue, they may only be motivated by these same thing that JoePa was guilty of. They'd be looking out for PSU's reputation with the media, their name being kept off the internet comment boards, and their admissions/athletics departments not taking a substantial hit.

I'm definitely interested to see how this plays out, as it's a tough decision to make, since everyone there's a Journalist/Lawyer/Vigilante behind every communication device.

[BonzoHansen]

wait, i'm lost. are you saying the JP statues stays or goes? who is the hypocrit? JP was as involved in the cover up as anyone. My understanding is if he were still alive he'd be facing the same very real chances of criminal charges as the other penn state folks.

[Jersey Mike]

Agreed. Unless there was some statue of limitations absolving him, I think he would on trial right now as well. I'm not sure what would actually stick, and what wouldn't, but this isn't a court room, and I'm more of a Law "enthusiast" than an expert on all things legal.

As for the statue's fate, I was more so trying to spark some thought and conversation on the decision to come, it's acceptance, consequences, and motivating factors. I, personally, don't have a dog in the fight, but if you're asking my take, then I can try to explain in a few sentences:

In short, I think it should stay on campus. I'm on the fence as to if it should remain outside the stadium, or be moved over to the library he put up on campus. I know that over his career, he did a lot for that campus, and that shouldn't be forgotten. The dark spot of his career is the mid/late 90s, when he and the others swept Sandusky under the rug shouldn't be forgotten either. But I don't think that should define Paterno's entire legacy. Whether it will or not, will yet to be seen, but my money is on the former. This sentiment may not be popular but, in a nutshell, there is more to that book than this one chapter, and I would hate to see this become the title.

[elle]

A whole life's acomplishments ruined.

[BigAls87Z28]

This just in: $60 mill in fines, 4 year bowl ban, and forfeit all wins from '98-'11. This removes Paterno's rank as coach with the most wins.

[LTb1ow]

So you punish the current players and potentially hurt the schools ability to gain new players to make the NCAA look like it takes the actions of a dead guy and a guy convicted and in jail seriously.

Seems legit.

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by LTb1ow

So you punish the current players and potentially hurt the schools ability to gain new players to make the NCAA look like it takes the actions of a dead guy and a guy convicted and in jail seriously.

Seems legit.

I think it's more of a combo breaker- To stop the "we can do whatever we want" mentality.

And hey, **** happens. How many innocent people get screwed every time a CEO does something dumb and destroys a corporation?

[Mike]

Originally Posted by LTb1ow

So you punish the current players and potentially hurt the schools ability to gain new players to make the NCAA look like it takes the actions of a dead guy and a guy convicted and in jail seriously.

Seems legit.

The alternative was a year or more of no football program. Which would punish the current players more. There are games. So they can play so they can still go pro or whatever their plans are.

Players can also transfer and play immediately at another school. They are waving the normal year off for players that transfer

[BonzoHansen]

and they can keep their scholarships even if they don't play.

[Jersey Mike]

I hate the NCAA corporate. Good that the current players won't be punished, but still rubs me the wrong way. No pun.

[BigAls87Z28]

It only hurts those who really really really really want to play for PSU and you are good enough to qualify for a football scholarship.

It's sad and I think that they should continue everything, but have every cent of profit from the games go to the victims and/or charity.

[BonzoHansen]

They are we'll playing, just no bowl games. And I think that is where that 60000000 is going.