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01-29-2010, 09:31 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Hillsborough, NJ
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Yeah and they opened their brand new, ~$15M facility. We just got one of those fliers inviting us in. Apparently 2004-05 was very good to them, getting the capital they needed to expand. They dropped Hummer but picked up Kia. A very good move for them.
I still have plans to look at a GM vehicle first, not out of loyalty (I'm a Toyota owner), but because I just like the looks of the new GM lineup. As always I wish the price point was lower, but it's still manageable.
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Wanted this -  , but ended up with this -  for free. Can't argue with free.
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01-29-2010, 10:02 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: West Long Branch
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Originally Posted by Untamed
I'm currently considering the GMC Terrain as my next one.
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Can I ask you why a Terrain over an Equinox? Not judging you, just getting info for a future article. I personally like both of them, and they both offer fantastic and best in class CUV's, especially for the money.
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01-31-2010, 12:08 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Hillsborough, NJ
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I liked the more aggressive exterior looks of the Terrain, plus the subtle differences in interior layout over the Equinox. Ultimately they are the same car, with the base Equinox starting with fewer features and less cost.
The seat-back DVD players are a factor for me since I have kids and we would use the next SUV for Winter trips to Vermont where my family has a house. The minivan the last two times, despite FWD, just doesn't cut it on some of those back road hills that we've traveled to get to special events.
Edit: And I like the red interior lighting of the Terrain like Pontiac had. A nostalgic point, but important to me.
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I USED TO HAVE an 85 Camaro 305 4bbl, 90 Firebird V6, 97 Firebird V6 (10 speakers!). Despite the two family vehicles, 3 kids, wife and mortgage, I can finally realize the dream - 88 TA almost all stock... for now.
http://www.cardomain.com/id/untameddave
Wanted this - , but ended up with this - for free. Can't argue with free.
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01-31-2010, 08:43 PM
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#129
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: West Long Branch
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Gotcha. I was talking to Mike Simco, one GM's big desingers (He's from Oz as well) and we talked about the differences between the two trucks and who they appeal too.
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01-31-2010, 08:45 PM
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I dunno how I'm beating Al to this since I just saw it from him, but...
Recalled Camry goes over KY cliff after accelerator sticks
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Originally Posted by LTb1ow
Junk the pos, spend the money on beer, acquire headache.
Same result cept this headache doesnt last months.
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01-31-2010, 09:30 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
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I'm on a ton of different websites and read a bunch of blogs...it's AMAZING how the Toyota fanbois or the anti-domestic crowed IMMEDIATELY flips the conversation to what GM And Ford has done in the past...it's absolutely amazing. Ford and GM have ****ed up in the past and were scumbags about it...but now it's the self-proclaimed King of Reliability to be exposed for who they are and the fanbois don't like it.
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01-31-2010, 09:36 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: West Long Branch
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Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah
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If I do it, then I look like a crazed GM fanboi.
If everyone else finds an article...well its that good news travels fast.
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01-31-2010, 09:40 PM
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You are a crazy fanboi...so are they! 
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The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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01-31-2010, 09:56 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
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But Al, you are a GM fanboi  
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01-31-2010, 10:05 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: West Long Branch
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To most of you guys, yes. I am around the automotive news a lot, and would like to one day make that my job. I do like GM, but am not a fanboi.
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01-31-2010, 10:05 PM
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So is it toyotas fault if people drive cars after a recall was placed?
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01-31-2010, 10:08 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28
To most of you guys, yes. I am around the automotive news a lot, and would like to one day make that my job. I do like GM, but am not a fanboi.
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The first step to recovery is admitting there's a problem. 
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01-31-2010, 10:20 PM
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So is it toyotas fault if people drive cars after a recall was placed?
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If those people have not been notified of the recall and told not to drive their cars, yes.
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01-31-2010, 10:43 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: West Long Branch
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So is it toyotas fault if people drive cars after a recall was placed?
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Toyota still ****ed up, its thier fault reguardless.
People drive the cars and get hurt, Toyota is still liable.
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02-01-2010, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Tru2Chevy
If those people have not been notified of the recall and told not to drive their cars, yes.
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I don't think it is even that simple. Products liability is pretty straight forward from what I've learned. If most people aren't heeding the warning, they wouldn't be expected to and Toyota would still be liable even if they warned the people. That being said, I doubt most people stopped driving their Toyotas.
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Except Jersey mike, great kid, but the way he looks at me makes me feel like im in danger
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02-01-2010, 06:00 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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I don't think it is even that simple. Products liability is pretty straight forward from what I've learned. If most people aren't heeding the warning, they wouldn't be expected to and Toyota would still be liable even if they warned the people. That being said, I doubt most people stopped driving their Toyotas.
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This weekend I still saw people driving around in Toyotas that have been recalled. When cars like the Camry that are the #1 selling sedan in the country, it's hard for people to just stop driving them even in light of a major recall. For most, it is probably their main or only form a transportation. They either have no choice, or they still feel their Toyota is invincible.
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02-01-2010, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by LS1Hawk
This weekend I still saw people driving around in Toyotas that have been recalled. When cars like the Camry that are the #1 selling sedan in the country, it's hard for people to just stop driving them even in light of a major recall. For most, it is probably their main or only form a transportation. They either have no choice, or they still feel their Toyota is invincible.
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exactly! and the courts will consider this when someone crashes even after being notified of the recall
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Except Jersey mike, great kid, but the way he looks at me makes me feel like im in danger
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02-01-2010, 02:21 PM
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: south & north nj
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hahaha did anyone see that now there are a number of complaints from toyota owners that the cars are randomly stalling due to a ECM error
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02-01-2010, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BurninrubberGT
hahaha did anyone see that now there are a number of complaints from toyota owners that the cars are randomly stalling due to a ECM error
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Apparently the cat ran out of the bag with it's accelerator stuck and it's tail on fire.
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02-01-2010, 02:41 PM
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Funny I had both of these problems while I had my awesome GM product! 
Sticking gas pedal and random stalls (while driving).
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02-01-2010, 02:57 PM
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Meet Coordinator
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well its due to magnetic/radio interference in the drive by wire. apparently they are going to shim the spring in the pedal and that will do.......something. freakin technology killing humans already......
so is it a good idea to buy yoda stocks?
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02-01-2010, 08:56 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: NNJ
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02-02-2010, 11:38 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: West Long Branch
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I hope Nader is writing a book about them.
Here is another case where NHTSA's "standars" and testing are being called into question again.
I found an article talking about NHTSA's testing of saddle gas tankes in the 80's GM trucks, saying that they met all crash standards.
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02-02-2010, 11:47 PM
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I kinda of skimmed over the article but I believe I read they were alerted to this problem numerous times through complaints and letters but claimed they didn't have the manpower/resources to check it out.
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