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For all those arguing with Shane, what solutions have you provided in the place of the present war and policing the world is involved in?
"If you didnt help that prick in soviet-afgan war he most likely wouldnt be even here.
its biting you in the ass..."
Yea, how come we weren't has wise and far-sighted as the Soviet Union? They know how to survive and stay united in this chaotic world.
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ehh? trying to make a funny here? You do know that the whole Bin Laden thing started after you sorta promised them help with rebuilding afganistan after the war and then just sorta left when Soviets pulled out? yea that wasnt nice, the rest is history. now they hate you and everything u stand for, the end.
Solution...well lets see. how about you should've stayed the **** out of Iraq and finish the job that you started in Afganistan before jumping the gun and invading some more countries? That's right you still got soldiers that are being shot at and killed in Afganistan or did you forget about that place because its not on CNN and FOX anymore?
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07-22-2006, 01:07 PM
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FACT: Blair addmitted on TV that it (wmd docs and all that jazz that bush was pushing) was ********...
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07-22-2006, 01:13 PM
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For all those arguing with Shane, what solutions have you provided in the place of the present war and policing the world is involved in?
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I think we jumped the gun going into Iraq. We weren't finished in Afghanastan when we went into Iraq, I think that was a mistake. Granted I don't give a **** about the rest of the world and the UN but in an offensive like this it is/was important to gain a lot more support in the world. We're dealing with people that will always hate us due to their religious beliefs. You cannot fully fight that. I'm not saying we shouldn't be in Iraq, I'm not saying we shouldn't be in the Middle East but I think we jumped the gun. Also, I find it funny how it was "well Iraq has WMD's" and when no substantial stockpile was found it then was "Well Saddam was killing his own people". Regardless of what that FoxNews report says 500 degraded weapons was WAAAAY short of the figures our government was using regarding the number of stockpiled weapons. They were wrong in their intel information.
As far as policing the rest of the world? We're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't. We're wrong for going in and helping people(NOT talking about Iraq) and we're wrong for NOT helping in certain situations. Sometimes we can do no right 
There is no right answer though. We're fighting people that have hated us since Biblical times(and I don't mean the USA obviously). We could give each and every one a million dollars and they'll still hate us.
The only solution is to nuke them all!!!!!!!! LOL
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07-22-2006, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Tsar
FACT: Blair addmitted on TV that it (wmd docs and all that jazz that bush was pushing) was ********...
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um tony blair? when was this?
and frosty, although a substantial amount of WMD's WAS FOUND (thats a fact right there) ummm, i DO agree with your solution lololol
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07-22-2006, 01:15 PM
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were finsihing our job and making sure we are doing it right. and please. stop trying to argue with facts. the fact is they had wmd. just because you dont want to believe they didnt , dosent change the FACT that they DID. what proof do you have saying the government made it up?
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...degraded mustard gas is HARDLY anything close to what our government was saying prior to going in. Is it great they found those stockpiles? Absolutely. Could they have been used against us? Perhaps. Is it enough to back up the government's rather large claim of massive amounts of weapons? IMO no it's not.
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07-22-2006, 01:20 PM
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Also, I find it funny how it was "well Iraq has WMD's" and when no substantial stockpile was found
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Is it great they found those stockpiles? Absolutely. Could they have been used against us? Perhaps.
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make up your mind!!!1
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07-22-2006, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by shane27
um tony blair? when was this?
and frosty, although a substantial amount of WMD's WAS FOUND (thats a fact right there) ummm, i DO agree with your solution lololol
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Oh wow are you ****ting me? you've been talking all this crap and you even had no idea that Blair stood in front of British parlament several months after invasion of Iraq and said that he altered the mi6 facts, about the whole WMD thing. MI6 report stated that there was no evidence of WMDs in iraq. He then proceeded to say he was sorry to the head of MI6 and said that he will never tarnish their reputation again with any of his claims. Their scandal was compared to watergate one, i do hope you know what that is at least.
yea you should go and study a little bit more... just like some one said if its not on CNN doesnt mean it didnt happen. you must've missed the re-run.
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07-22-2006, 01:29 PM
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make up your mind!!!1
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I said no SUBSTANTIAL stockpile was found. Big difference.
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07-22-2006, 01:31 PM
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and frosty, although a substantial amount of WMD's WAS FOUND (thats a fact right there) ummm, i DO agree with your solution lololol
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That'd probably be the only solution lol.
Again I don't really consider that amount of weapons are enough to justify an invasion. Think back to when they were trying to gain support man, they were saying massive amounts...500 isn't that much, especially degraded weapons. Like I said it's still great that they found them though.
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07-22-2006, 01:34 PM
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The only solution is to nuke them all!!!!!!!!
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07-22-2006, 01:38 PM
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Oh wow are you ****ting me? you've been talking all this crap and you even had no idea that Blair stood in front of British parlament several months after invasion of Iraq and said that he altered the mi6 facts, about the whole WMD thing. MI6 report stated that there was no evidence of WMDs in iraq. He then proceeded to say he was sorry to the head of MI6 and said that he will never tarnish their reputation again with any of his claims. Their scandal was compared to watergate one, i do hope you know what that is at least.
yea you should go and study a little bit more... just like some one said if its not on CNN doesnt mean it didnt happen. you must've missed the re-run.
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maybe you should study a little more. the info saying we found the WMD were only recently released. we found them in 03. and since he said that 7 months ago (if he even did im not sure) then what does that tell you
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07-22-2006, 01:41 PM
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Nice way to not quote the "LOL" at the end of that statement 
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07-22-2006, 01:42 PM
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Frosty, I very much liked your post.
I think one of the major issues with Iraq was shaky intelligence with people in high places having questionable motives.
Tsar, I do not think bin Laden liked the West before America turned her back on Afghanistan. I think he was choosing the lesser of two evils at the moment, which was the USSR. Also, I don't really see "You should have stayed out" as a solution, but rather more like hindsight.
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07-22-2006, 01:42 PM
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maybe you should study a little more. the info saying we found the WMD were only recently released. we found them in 03. and since he said that 7 months ago (if he even did im not sure) then what does that tell you
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Dude, maybe THAT report was justed released by FoxNews but it was reported that they found those weapons when they first found them. I know this for a fact because I remember reading it and discussing it with my boss at work.
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07-22-2006, 01:43 PM
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I think one of the major issues with Iraq was shaky intelligence with people in high places having questionable motives.
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I totally agree.
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07-22-2006, 01:45 PM
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maybe you should study a little more. the info saying we found the WMD were only recently released. we found them in 03. and since he said that 7 months ago (if he even did im not sure) then what does that tell you
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it tells me that everyone lied and had absolutely no reasons to invade a country. he sided the public with him only because he convinced them iraq had wmds and was a threat, just like bush.
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07-22-2006, 01:47 PM
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Frosty, I very much liked your post.
I think one of the major issues with Iraq was shaky intelligence with people in high places having questionable motives.
Tsar, I do not think bin Laden liked the West before America turned her back on Afghanistan. I think he was choosing the lesser of two evils at the moment, which was the USSR. Also, I don't really see "You should have stayed out" as a solution, but rather more like hindsight.
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Um...yea he hated you alot and thats why he attended some university school in Britain  they even had pics on the net 
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07-22-2006, 02:26 PM
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they found 500 of thos WMDs sonny, but the communist news network dident report it so you wouldent know that, you and the others who to me dont have any idea whats going on, the place the USA has taken a stand against the scum is irak, and you dont get that, than whoever is in the way and wheir ever they happen to be get it now sonny, why dont you pick up a gun and defend the USA instead of bah bah bah you know better, ( WHAT ) you dont have an answer, as worldly as you are any red blooded american understands what i am saying, even if they dont like it they understand --- ( DO YOU ) jz
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07-22-2006, 02:28 PM
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John, they reported those weapons when it first happened, I still don't understand the confusion with that statement. Also, Blair did admit to knowing some information was fugded so to speak, again..what's the confusion. Both of those points are minor and really not that important.
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John, they reported those weapons when it first happened, I still don't understand the confusion with that statement. Also, Blair did admit to knowing some information was fugded so to speak, again..what's the confusion. Both of those points are minor and really not that important.
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To read what some of these guys have written is un real how NAIVE is their thinking knowing their young is no excuse i was 19 in vietnam i had a clear understanding their were no frendlys not in a country at war with it self and others jz
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07-22-2006, 02:33 PM
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they found 500 of thos WMDs sonny, but the communist news network dident report it so you wouldent know that, you and the others who to me dont have any idea whats going on, the place the USA has taken a stand against the scum is irak, and you dont get that, than whoever is in the way and wheir ever they happen to be get it now sonny, why dont you pick up a gun and defend the USA instead of bah bah bah you know better, ( WHAT ) you dont have an answer, as worldly as you are any red blooded american understands what i am saying, even if they dont like it they understand --- ( DO YOU ) jz
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dont ****ing call call me sonny, pal. Everyone is a scum to you, why dont you answer my question about what are you gonna do with the rest of the terrorist organizations that i posted. nothing? i thought so, go take your walker and dont break a hip.
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dont ****ing call call me sonny, pal. Everyone is a scum to you, why dont you answer my question about what are you gonna do with the rest of the terrorist organizations that i posted. nothing? i thought so, go take your walker and dont break a hip.
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WOW THAT TRUTH IS A BITCH AND NO I WONT CALL YOU SONNY I AM NOT A LIBERAL THEY WOULD NEVER STOP THE TAUNTING LOVED THE LINE WITH THE WALKER WOW THAT WAS GREAT IAM 64 265 LBS WITH A 38 WAIST BEEN LIFTING AND IN SHAPE MOST OF MY LIFE WOW THE WALKER WAS GREAT BUT I WOULD RATHER INGAGUE YOU IN WHAT WOULD YOU DO THAN TRADE WOW WALKER HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA I NEED A MINUTE HAHAHAHHA JZ
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You failed to answer my question old man, dont clutter up this thread with useless personal information about yourself. No one cares how old you are or what your weight is.
What truth? 500 shells of mustard gas? **** i consder an AK a more of a WMD then that, it has sertainly killed more people over the years.
Oh caps lock FTL.
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Not that any American veteran needs defending, but this thread is turning away from a political debate into a monstrosity. John, I appreciate your sevice to our country and try not to let people who have never been to war and who are explaining to you how war should be get to your head.
Tsar, all he did was call you sonny. Respect isn't something given to me or you, since we are only 19 or 20. People often see us as immature and hot-blooded. Don't reinforce the stereotype, just debate the issue. You have some valid points.
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You failed to answer my question old man, dont clutter up this thread with useless personal information about yourself. No one cares how old you are or what your weight is.
What truth? 500 shells of mustard gas? **** i consder an AK a more of a WMD then that, it has sertainly killed more people over the years.
Oh caps lock FTL.
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I CAN ATTEST TO AN AK 47 BEING A WWD YOU ARE CORRECT, AND I DID ANSWER YOU WE HAVE STARTED IN IRAK OVER THE NEXT 6 TO 10 YEARS OFF THIS CONFLICT YOU MIGHT BE CALLED TO ARMS AND THAT IS YOUR NOT UNDERSTANDING, AND THE NAME CALLING IS WATER ON A DUCKS BACK, and you are right we should do what give me one thing you would do different irak was the incorrect place to start so tell me ???/??///// jz
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