700-r4 shiftkit(s) ? - NJFBOA - Home of New Jersey's Camaros and Firebirds

band77one · 09-13-2006, 01:04 PM

I'm planning on putting a shift kit into my 700r4 for my 1988 Iroc-Z

Can anyone tell me and differences between the B&M Transpak, B&M Transkit and this brand Transgo? I want to get the better of course lol

r0nin89 · 09-13-2006, 02:02 PM

Transgo is the best shift kit around... Thats what I'm getting in a few weeks.

band77one · 09-13-2006, 06:17 PM

ok telling me that they are the best company around doesnt help me lol cause people say the same thing about ford ya know

r0nin89 · 09-13-2006, 06:51 PM

No trust me I did a load of research back when I almost bought one and everyone on TGO said Transgo is the Cadillac of **** kits.

JSPERFORMANCE · 09-13-2006, 07:27 PM

No offense ronin its nothing personal but I have noticed something that is fairly common on these web pages that makes me ask a question and like I said its not a personal attack because there are many that do it... Here goes... Why do people that have never owned or used a product or service feel the need to make reccomendations for others to use or not use said product or service?

WayFast84 · 09-13-2006, 08:00 PM

"TAKES OUT THE BOOK"

TCI trans scat is recomended in the book "camaro performance handbook 1982-1992" I was gonna say that because I was reading it in studdy hall today i just made sure, they also said something about art car.

***I HAVENT USED ANY OF THEESE PRODUCTS***

johnjzjz · 09-17-2006, 07:26 AM

i have been building regular and racing transmissions 35 years i am in the biss to do the job once the guy who ownes trans go is a wiz anyone in the trans world as it is will tell you most of the other kits that are sold are cheaper versions of his kit - just my take - directions are very good their is more to do than anyother kit because when you are done it works just like you wanted in the first place and they are more money than any of the others -- jz

Batman · 09-17-2006, 08:15 AM

I would stay away from TCI just because they are a crappy company. I have never had a good experience with them or their products I've done a few trans-go's and never seen a problem with them. No experience with B&M. I also don't put stock in many book or magazine recommendations because MOST of the time it has to do with who pays them as to who they recommend, not who has better stuff. My vote is Trans-Go.

JSPERFORMANCE · 09-17-2006, 08:43 AM

My god!! do we have some responses based on actual real world experience?? what is this internet coming to?

Batman · 09-17-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JSPERFORMANCE

My god!! do we have some responses based on actual real world experience?? what is this internet coming to?

What's with the hostility in all your posts?

johnjzjz · 09-17-2006, 05:29 PM

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What's with the hostility in all your posts?

i have seen more than one NOX guys with an extra line piped into the full face --- ya kno --- jz

JSPERFORMANCE · 09-17-2006, 09:25 PM

Nothing wrong, just a little tired of all the bs and wannabees on line.. Seems there is more bad info on here lately than actual facts.. When someone asks a question they get "my buddy's car" or "I read" etc.etc..

JSPERFORMANCE · 09-17-2006, 09:25 PM

Whats NOX?

Formulalt1 · 09-21-2006, 03:43 AM

I had a transgo in my car and did a ton of research after I fried my tranny. Alot of the components and steps that the transgo kit tells you to do will take many miles off the life of your tranny. Also one of the leading tranny builders ( http://www.cahallperformancetransmissions.com/ talk to Frank he will tell you the same) for solid strickly racing version 700R4's and 4L60E's told me the kit is a major factor in most of the core trannys he see's coming in failing.

Believe me, I was a diehard Transgo recommender too but after talking with alot of guys who build auto tranny's to hold up to major power, they tell me the kits are not worth the hassle they cause.

johnjzjz · 09-21-2006, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Formulalt1

I had a transgo in my car and did a ton of research after I fried my tranny. Alot of the components and steps that the transgo kit tells you to do will take many miles off the life of your tranny. Also one of the leading tranny builders ( http://www.cahallperformancetransmissions.com/ talk to Frank he will tell you the same) for solid stricky racing version 700R4's and 4L60E's told me the kit is a major factor in most of the core trannys he see's coming in failing.

Believe me, I was a diehard Transgo recommender too but after talking with alot of guys who build auto tranny's to hold up to major power, they tell me the kits are not worth the hassle they cause.

As you might know the late transmissions today are designed to be light weight for better fuel ecom not high performance --- well that in it self should tell you they are not good platforms for real power --- the alloy case powerglide of 1962 is and never was designed to handle 1000 plus HP but it does --- the overdrive stuff is for the most part all pop press or stamped steel hubs and drums -- TIN CANS ) -- ( not the machined steel hubs in the units of years ago ) failure in the overdrive units can almost always be attributed to clutch slippage from to much heat - sprag breakage -- gear failure -- and the alloy fluid pump stator support giving way -- as i know it -- none of those things were and are caused buy the spring kits and plate for the valve body trans go and others supply with their kits --- but theirs always someone who knows someone who knows that --- well you get the idea --- GM tried with their transmisssion group to use one of their units and it did not work so now allison is the trans of choice in the high powered trucks we have --- the later units like in the vetts are better but its real pricy to fix 3Gs and up --just my take --- jz

Formulalt1 · 09-21-2006, 12:34 PM

So putting three spacers in the 2nd gear accumulator or adding more pressure to a already weak band (such as the case with modification to the servo) won't lead to issue's?... The change in the performance to the tranny is great, thats not even in question but your tranny will just not live as long as has been the case with many others installing the kit.

Also, yes. Stronger springs can cause issue's or why else don't you make a kit using the strongest spring in the industry?. Is it maybe cause the fluid has to be able to over power the spring to apply enough pressure on the clutches and lack of doing so would cause slipping which would generate excessive heat and lead to a fried tranny?

camaroracer1992 · 09-21-2006, 02:58 PM

i had a transgo in my 700r4 when i had a 305, it worked great, the install wasnt too bad just gotta watch for the damn check balls. i have since had my tranny rebuilt for racing and my buddy installed a tci reverse manual valve body which i absolutley love. the transgo was good though in my opinion. about the TCI bashing, i have blown up there convertors easily. i use ATI for my convertor and all the other internals came from raptor transmissions

johnjzjz · 09-21-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Formulalt1

So putting three spacers in the 2nd gear accumulator or adding more pressure to a already weak band (such as the case with modification to the servo) won't lead to issue's?... The change in the performance to the tranny is great, thats not even in question but your tranny will just not live as long as has been the case with many others installing the kit.

Also, yes. Stronger springs can cause issue's or why else don't you make a kit using the strongest spring in the industry?. Is it maybe cause the fluid has to be able to over power the spring to apply enough pressure on the clutches and lack of doing so would cause slipping which would generate excessive heat and lead to a fried tranny?

i guess you only installed the apply springs what happened to the stronger springs for the release portion of the unit --- ( one clutch can get in the way of another when shifting and it has higher fluid pressure ) --- the reason for high temps in the first place --- so we have found that some people who do not have the correct tools and equiptment and try to build a racing unit come to leave out or never adjust the spring pressures in the first place --- please note --- the reason most modified transes fail --- not having the knowledge to do it corectly in the first place -- nor should a guy who is not up too speed on the STUFF IN FLUID FLOWS AND APPLY AND RELIEASE PRESSURES but if you believe what you believe so be it but do it for the right reasons -- having done many over many years and have people who depend on you for a good unit at a fair price we use what we have learned as the best way to get us their -- jz

Formulalt1 · 09-21-2006, 05:27 PM

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i guess you only installed the apply springs what happened to the stronger springs for the release portion of the unit --- ( one clutch can get in the way of another when shifting and it has higher fluid pressure ) --- the reason for high temps in the first place --- so we have found that some people who do not have the correct tools and equiptment and try to build a racing unit come to leave out or never adjust the spring pressures in the first place --- please note --- the reason most modified transes fail --- not having the knowledge to do it corectly in the first place -- nor should a guy who is not up too speed on the STUFF IN FLUID FLOWS AND APPLY AND RELIEASE PRESSURES but if you believe what you believe so be it but do it for the right reasons -- having done many over many years and have people who depend on you for a good unit at a fair price we use what we have learned as the best way to get us their -- jz

Well I am going by the word of people who know Gil personally and I know have built tranny's that withstand 600 horse + cars. I am not saying that performance wise the Transgo kit won't make the tranny shift sweet cause I noticed a nice improvement in that department, I am also not stating that all of the components in the kit will cause damage in the long run and I am not even saying it will kill your tranny instantly. What I am saying is after doing my own research and talking with people who build strong units that the Transgo kit is not the way to go if you want to get as many miles as possible out of your tranny.

Also incase your referring to me as not having the right tools or not knowing what the hell I am doing. Anyone who has been in my garage including a member from this site knows I have damn near every tool in there. I am no shade tree mechanic and have built /rebuilt many trannys and engines in my over 10 years of working on cars. So while I am not a transmission specialist, I do know when someone knows what they are talking about and is making sense in there reasoning.

Savage_Messiah · 09-27-2006, 01:29 PM

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Anyone who has been in my garage including a member from this site knows I have damn near every tool in there.

yea the question is if you can make your way over to the tool thru all the crap all over the garage

r0nin89 · 09-27-2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JSPERFORMANCE

No offense ronin its nothing personal but I have noticed something that is fairly common on these web pages that makes me ask a question and like I said its not a personal attack because there are many that do it... Here goes... Why do people that have never owned or used a product or service feel the need to make reccomendations for others to use or not use said product or service?

Idk why i even reply to this but...I put my .02 in because I sat on my computer for 3+ hours looking into shift kits. Not only did I say that thats what I've heard but stated where it was said and if you like you can hit up TGO and search all the posts. You dont like whats said on the net then I have a simple solution... stop logging on. At no point did I say I had one or omg everyone is wrong.

Formulalt1 · 09-28-2006, 05:15 AM

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yea the question is if you can make your way over to the tool thru all the crap all over the garage

lol, this is true , it got alot better there for a while but with 3 engines in various states, 2 tranny's and a trillion other car parts not to mention the stored furniture. Its once again a matter of climbing to get to things like my shop press.

johnjzjz · 09-28-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by r0nin89

Idk why i even reply to this but...I put my .02 in because I sat on my computer for 3+ hours looking into shift kits. Not only did I say that thats what I've heard but stated where it was said and if you like you can hit up TGO and search all the posts. You dont like whats said on the net then I have a simple solution... stop logging on. At no point did I say I had one or omg everyone is wrong.

Its a shame but u did not get what he implied --- it was a fact --

NOT A DIG --- jz

JSPERFORMANCE · 09-29-2006, 06:50 AM

kids.....

deadtrend1 · 09-30-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by r0nin89

Idk why i even reply to this but...I put my .02 in because I sat on my computer for 3+ hours looking into shift kits. Not only did I say that thats what I've heard but stated where it was said and if you like you can hit up TGO and search all the posts. You dont like whats said on the net then I have a simple solution... stop logging on. At no point did I say I had one or omg everyone is wrong.

Hey dude, the point he was trying to make was no one (thats a generalization of this thread) used the product first hand, and was giving recommendations. Sure, I can read about them online also and see what other people think, but their information will be the same as yours, they read about through a 3rd party opinion.... and so on ... and so on......

You wouldnt go by a car without test driving it and go to yourself .... "I think im going to spend my money on this car cause I read that its good, and other people say its good, so I'm going to take a leap of faith and say its good."

JS is a pretty cool and intelligent guy car wise, it would be a shame for him to stop logging on and posting here. His people skills need to be worked on a bit.

OK, now thats all behind us.... I would like to know what trans kit is better over the other since Rob-Ws6 has a Trans-GO new in box sitting on his shelf that catches my interest....