cam suggestion

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

this isn't a joke vitals, i am serious.
there is no way i woudl trust someone to put together a motor if their only frame of reference for cam choices was the summit catalog.

I could go somewhere with this....but I wont.

[Rob WS6]

This is one big mismatchfest waiting to happen. First off, why are you using a victor jr. on this motor? Is there a reason you want the powerband to be higher than those heads can breathe? Secondly, your going to throw a tiny cam in there... again mismatch. Why raised port heads? This kid doesent need a 10 second NA motor that is useless on the street.

Dont put all this crap on a motor just because thats what you have available... its a waste.

How about this... put a NORMAL dual plane or airgap on it. Do you REALLY think a hydraulic cam is going to spin to 8gs? Or a stock bottom end? No way in hell.

Pick a normal intake and heads, a nice streetable cam something around the 224-240 range. Keep the RPM range no higher than 5500. Throwing a bunch of parts together is no way to build an engine... and is just asking for disaster.

[Teds89IROC]

Now I'm moving to the backseat...

~Ted

[BigAls87Z28]

Just build a standard 350 engine. Enjoy it now, then as he goes on, he can build it up as he wants, and has a strong base to do so.

[qwikz28]

i think the victor jr is overkill. its probably gonna be his street car so why not get the car to make good power down low with a smaller cam so he can do better on gas and not get his ass in trouble?

[WayFast84]

im confused as hell.

I everyone else said the combo was good cept the cam, wich is why we are looking for a new cam.

The heads/intake/carb came off his uncles 355 that ran low 11's high tens smaller cam, and alot lower compression.

Its a little more then I was told it would be about, But I just want it to be done right!

[project89]

wayfast u got that backwards more compression and more cam then the big lunati,

the springs are good for .650 ish lift
and rob the manifold is being used cause it is what fits the heads,those heads are not standard port heads.they are raised port heads and require a matching manifold.
i toned the motor down a bit to be more street freindly for him,but its gonna be hard with that initake,regardless of anything he is still gonna need 4.10+ gears,and atleast a 3k converter
bottom end is good for 500 hp,noone said it was a stock bottom end.

i have the right cam for the engine the one that belongs with this setup,but it is way to much of a cam fo rsomething that will see street driving.

[WayFast84]

I meaned that yo.

Im just sick right now, I got the biggest head ache ever and feel like im gonna puke and listining to disturbed wich isnt helping

[NJSPEEDER]

what the bottom end is good for doesn't help when you are talking about putting a miniture cam into a motor that has a top end design to spin to 7K+ rpm.
the way these components listed match up you would end up with a motor that is dead off the break and then starts to pull right befor ehe would have to shift it cause it is running out of cam.
get some smaller heads and a common dual plain intake and have a healthy street motor. raised runner bow ties and a Vjr. are only useful if he can afford to spin the motor.

[1QWIKBIRD]

Originally Posted by WayFast84

I meaned that yo.

Im just sick right now, I got the biggest head ache ever and feel like im gonna puke and listining to disturbed wich isnt helping

heres what you need...seriously.....price it out at your local dealer, then check scoggin-dickey in texas......pic is attached

12499711
Engine - Turn Key Engine Kit 350 Ho
A 350 that?s been stepped up in power. You won?t go broke finishing off your project car with our 350 HO Turn-Key crate engine! It?s packed with all the features you need to get a reliable 330 horsepower and 380 lb.-ft. of torque

Do you even know what raised port heads, a victor jr intake are?? that is full on race gear. It has no place on a daily driven car, especially not your first car. I'm not saying the deal is bad, but the combo ain't right for your situation. I'd put money on it that your stock hood wouldn't even shut with that intake, carb and air cleaner (let alone if you put a space under the carb) and what carb is gonna be put on that motor? That is a recipe for disaster. Not taking shots at the offer, but that motor ain't for you.

Chris

[1QWIKBIRD]

Originally Posted by lethalrides2k3

wayfast u got that backwards more compression and more cam then the big lunati,

the springs are good for .650 ish lift
and rob the manifold is being used cause it is what fits the heads,those heads are not standard port heads.they are raised port heads and require a matching manifold.
i toned the motor down a bit to be more street freindly for him,but its gonna be hard with that initake,regardless of anything he is still gonna need 4.10+ gears,and atleast a 3k converter
bottom end is good for 500 hp,noone said it was a stock bottom end.

i have the right cam for the engine the one that belongs with this setup,but it is way to much of a cam fo rsomething that will see street driving.

That's the problem with the set up, it ain't ment for a daily driven car, no matter how sweet the deal is....putting a smaller cam in it would be like putting a band aid on a shot gun wound....short lived temporary fix. It just way more than the kid needs or can handle.

Chris

[j0n]

hahahahaha dave cheppelle just said back the **** up...i agree

[The Fixer]

Originally Posted by 1QWIKBIRD

12499711
Engine - Turn Key Engine Kit 350 Ho
A 350 that?s been stepped up in power. You won?t go broke finishing off your project car with our 350 HO Turn-Key crate engine! It?s packed with all the features you need to get a reliable 330 horsepower and 380 lb.-ft. of torque

And even this will make a 17-year old inexperienced driver wet his pants the first time he nails the throttle and the car gets sideways.

My opinion (right or wrong, I don't care) is that you should drive a 200hp crapbox for a year and get experience behind the wheel, then move on.

[WayFast84]

Once again the car will not be my daily driver.

Its going to be a drive to the track drive home car.

[project89]

like he just said i was told this thing wont be a daily driver,just to and from the track.the first cam i gave him as an optin will stil spin to 7k,the secon i sslightly lower,im just gonna put the right roller cam in the motor,hes just gonna need a higher stall converter.

[WayFast84]

and second of all, how the **** do you know what I can handle?

Just because I dont have a liscence doesnt mean ****.

Just remember here, ive been through more **** at 15 then some of you together.

I first drove an fbody at 13. doing wheelies on tractors at 12. and dirtbikes at 12.

I might not have experience with this high horsepower of a car. but I know that i wont be as ****ing stupid as the ******* who weaves in and out of cars,street races or even tailgate..

[Tsar]

[1QWIKBIRD]

Originally Posted by lethalrides2k3

like he just said i was told this thing wont be a daily driver,just to and from the track.the first cam i gave him as an optin will stil spin to 7k,the secon i sslightly lower,im just gonna put the right roller cam in the motor,hes just gonna need a higher stall converter.

if its a track car, then stab the cam in there that makes the rest of the combo go, tell him (wayfast) to take his skirt off and buck the F$%^ up with the right converter and gear, get a truck and a trailer and go racing. Send him on his way.....now my head hurts....

No cam is gonna maximize the combo yet still have nice street manners and spin to 7K +++ ain't gonna happen....

I'm still convinced wayfast doesn't know what he wants let alone what he actually needs....as a result he is doomed to be woefully dissappointed either in output or in driveability or maintenance requirements or just operating costs.....what kind fuel requirements does this motor have when its set on "kill"? could he limp it around on 93. Is wayfast capable of playing with the timing to accomplish this?? or is he going to detonate the the thing to death??? Roller cam (solid lifter I assume), is he willing/able to check valve springs and lifters periodically, how about adjusting valves?

Build him the short block and put a standard 23 deg. head on the thing with a reasonable intake/carb/cam and let him cut his teeth and learn as he goes. Why try to hit the home run with first swing of the bat?

I'm not trying to be a prick, this just doesn't sound like everyone is on the same page and that means you wayfast. You need to do some reading, listening and learning, go to E-town or island or atco and see what guys are running and how fast they go. Look at their combos, and you will see what I'm talking about. I'm not say not to do it, but you had better be fully aware of what kind of motor you are looking at. It will require maintenance, tuning, $$$, respect (while your driving it) a suspension and chassis capable of harnessing big power. If the motor was really going low 11's / high 10's (I don't doubt it was) your car will need a roll bar, maybe a cage, got one? What kinda rear ya got stock 7.5 10-bolt (or whatever came stock in a third gen)? That will last maybe 5-10 runs (if the suspension hooks) with sticky tires before it totally ****s the bed? Are you up for it?? Only you know.

Good luck guys.....and most importantly have fun....

Chris

[1QWIKBIRD]

Originally Posted by WayFast84

and second of all, how the **** do you know what I can handle?

Just because I dont have a liscence doesnt mean ****.

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I first drove an fbody at 13. doing wheelies on tractors at 12. and dirtbikes at 12.

the behavior you just described above is exactly the kind of behavior that will get you in trouble with a 10 or 11 sec ride....end of story.

.....go for it dude....and remember have fun


Chris

[WayFast84]

I dont want a track only car, thats sorta useless to me. I want something I can take to a car show and a race in the same week end, and depending on the weather to work the next day you know?

I want a streetable car. that is reliable.

[WayFast84]

Originally Posted by 1QWIKBIRD

the behavior you just described above is exactly the kind of behavior that will get you in trouble with a 10 or 11 sec ride....end of story.

.....go for it dude....and remember have fun


Chris

nah thats why I wont be like that on the street, I know my limits now, Ive been through hell on holloween

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by WayFast84

and second of all, how the **** do you know what I can handle?

your lack of knowledge really points towards what you can or can't handle. if you don't know what an 11/10second combination is, how can you possibly have any idea how to handle it?
you seem to be forgetting the fact that in a powerful car you don't have to act like a jackass or even make a big mistake to get yourself in trouble.
when you drove your first car, rode a dirt bike, or figured out how to do a wheelie on a lawn tractor doesn't mean dick when you get caught out by bad weather or bad roads.
i also don't care what else you have been through in life, that doesn't have anything to do with driving anyway.

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by WayFast84

I want a streetable car. that is reliable.

such a poorly matched combo won't leave you with much of either.

[qwikz28]

Originally Posted by WayFast84

and second of all, how the **** do you know what I can handle?

Just because I dont have a liscence doesnt mean ****.

Just remember here, ive been through more **** at 15 then some of you together.

I first drove an fbody at 13. doing wheelies on tractors at 12. and dirtbikes at 12.

I might not have experience with this high horsepower of a car. but I know that i wont be as ****ing stupid as the ******* who weaves in and out of cars,street races or even tailgate..

confidence is the worst thing to have with a fast car, especially with 0 experience. i got my ls1 a month after i started driving, i had respect for that car and took it very easy until i learned it. i can now do what i can because i have owned the car for more then 4 years and the car now has 56k on it.

its very similar to an old adage my father once told me: "the smartest man, is the one who thinks he's stupid." if you think you know it all, how are you gonna learn? your gonna have all the time in the world to get your car to go fast, dont rush it.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by qwikz28

confidence is the worst thing to have with a fast car, especially with 0 experience. i got my ls1 a month after i started driving, i had respect for that car and took it very easy until i learned it. i can now do what i can because i have owned the car for more then 4 years and the car now has 56k on it.

its very similar to an old adage my father once told me: "the smartest man, is the one who thinks he's stupid." if you think you know it all, how are you gonna learn? your gonna have all the time in the world to get your car to go fast, dont rush it.

confidence is absolutely the best thing in the world. i think you're confusing it with overconfidence/cockyness/arrogance. Confidence is what separates men from losers, its a must have, newb.