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As you cannot change the internal gearing of a 4L80E, other options that you have brought will not be discussed at this point.
Will be calling Jakes Trans. tmmr and get some more opinions on it, thanks guys.
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01-29-2012, 04:55 PM
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As you cannot change the internal gearing of a 4L80E, other options that you have brought will not be discussed at this point.
Will be calling Jakes Trans. tmmr and get some more opinions on it, thanks guys.
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Jake in Texas? You'll be buying a 4L80E from him. Tell him I said hello lol
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The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
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01-29-2012, 04:56 PM
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Yes, that is what WBT mentioned you would say.
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In a manual, with a ton of meth and really pushing the poor 76gts
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True, but 700 hp is not out of the question with an auto.
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01-29-2012, 04:59 PM
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Yes, that is what WBT mentioned you would say.
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lol yes. jake knows his stuff
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The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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01-29-2012, 05:00 PM
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True, but 700 hp is not out of the question with an auto.
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Which is why the trans in question is rated to 750hp which I assume is rwhp.. 
Fastbird also has pretty nice heads on his motor
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01-29-2012, 05:17 PM
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a 6l80E Curt?
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I meant to type 4l80e...
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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen
6L80E has no after market controller, and is tall & low so it presents packaging issues.
It is not yet proving to be a good retrofit trans for the masses.
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False.. can run the 4l80e based 6spd by TCI w/controller, Also can run a gm 6l80e with a bit of wiring/pcm & correct tuner for the job.
Has been installed in 4th gens, 5th gens,GTOs, full size trucks & vettes....
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I never pulled into the staging beams at the track and saw a dyno in the other lane.
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01-29-2012, 05:26 PM
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While double OD would be sweet, this is not a race car nor is it a rich guys baller build. So 4L80E will be a nice compromise.
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01-29-2012, 05:26 PM
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Very bold of you lol. Well, the 4L80E TCI trans is not a 6L80E. I stand corrected and will add better adjectives for the nit picking crowd: there is no dedicated 6L80E stand alone controller yet.
Yea, it's in a 5th gen, BFD. Of course, GM put them. Trucks are high off the ground. I've seen them in 1st & 2nd gens, they hang quite low and are tall requiring basically a new tunnel. IMO a street car in NJ the lowest point in the car should not be a trans pan. And if it is not a street car then a 6L80E is a bad choice IMO. YMMV.
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The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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While double OD would be sweet, this is not a race car nor is it a rich guys baller build. So 4L80E will be a nice compromise.
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Take a Loan out... 
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Very bold of you lol. Well, the 4L80E TCI trans is not a 6L80E. I stand corrected and will add better adjectives for the nit picking crowd: there is no dedicated 6L80E stand alone controller yet.
Yea, it's in a 5th gen, BFD. Of course, GM put them. Trucks are high off the ground. I've seen them in 1st & 2nd gens, they hang quite low and are tall requiring basically a new tunnel. IMO a street car in NJ the lowest point in the car should not be a trans pan. And if it is not a street car then a 6L80E is a bad choice IMO. YMMV.
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I am 98% sure the BS3 & AEM setup will control the 6l80e, but they are not dedicated, just able along with running everything else. (again, steering towards the rich man baller builds)
Okay...now I will agree with you. lol
p.s. I did say..... "4l80e based 6spd". Its their answer to the guys wanting a 6l80e. And a poor one at that due to the issues I have personally seen with them.
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I never pulled into the staging beams at the track and saw a dyno in the other lane.
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Lol. Yeah I don't hear good on them either and the price is high. Go 4L80E and gear vendors. 8 speed!!!!!!!
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The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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01-29-2012, 07:08 PM
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Lol. Yeah I don't hear good on them either and the price is high. Go 4L80E and gear vendors. 8 speed!!!!!!!
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Say what?
That would be a 5 speed...?
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01-29-2012, 07:46 PM
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go find out how gv works.
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The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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LMFAO..... to the last two posts.
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I never pulled into the staging beams at the track and saw a dyno in the other lane.
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01-30-2012, 07:24 AM
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Th400 is lighter than a 4l......
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01-30-2012, 08:33 AM
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Th400 is lighter than a 4l......
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As a Th350 is lighter than a Th400, as a ten bolt is lighter than any aftermarket rear end, as a LS1 is lighter than n LT1, as any stock suspension piece sans K is lighter than aftermarkert, must I go on?
Whats your point?
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Lighter and stronger hence faster and more reliable. Don't apples to oranges me pal. Better gear ratios too so it would be quicker.
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Lighter and stronger hence faster and more reliable. Don't apples to oranges me pal. Better gear ratios too so it would be quicker.
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4L80 and TH400 have the same ratios save 4th.
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Lighter and stronger hence faster and more reliable. Don't apples to oranges me pal. Better gear ratios too so it would be quicker.
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more power overcomes a few pounds. and being a tenth faster is diminished if the car is no fun to drive except at the track.
4L80E is essentailly a TH400 with 4th gear so I'd not be anymore concerned with reliability over a TH400.
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The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
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It definitely isn't a few pounds. He also has to botch up the car and hope it can be tuned to work properly along with a new converter. Not my money though so I'd gladly spend it towards an 80
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4L80 is 35 lbs heavier.
Adam, to your last point, and I'm not trying to be an a-hole, but if the retrofitting and such will lead to a botch job I'd stick with the TH400 and 3.08s. No shame it tapping out- I had to do it on a big project.
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I thought the weight was more than that. Its been a while since I looked into the swap so I guess my facts are wrong. Matt knows his choices and what he wants the car to do, should be an easy pick.
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I thought it was a 75lb difference...but maybe i was thinking of 6l80 since thats on my mind.
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01-30-2012, 11:17 AM
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I know the choices but want opinions on the matter. Not a small chunk of change to blow and end up hating driving the car.
Basically I have no idea WTF I am doing
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From Jake (who else)
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TJ,
Don't be skeptical. Your weight of 139 is 4 lbs heavier than my weight for a TH350.
I measured a TH350, TH400, and 4L80E all on the same scale on the same day.
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TH350 short tail- 125 lbs.
TH400- 134 lbs.
4L80E- 178 lbs.
A TH400 DOES NOT weight 30 lbs more. You are hearing that from the "internet experts" that likely couldn't identify the difference between a TH350 and TH400 if both were sitting side by side.
Once ONE idiot says it on the internet it becomes fact. Like a TH400 consuming xx more HP than a TH350 etc..
A TH400 is about 10 lbs heavier and the 10 lbs is in the rotating weight. Mostly the planetary sets.
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He says about ~45 but the '80 was not a fresh rebuild.
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