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12-13-2008, 11:20 PM
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ET roll bar rule...
from Rule Book
ROLL CAGE
Roll cage mandatory in cars running 10.99 (*6.99) or quicker or any car exceding 135 mph. In full-bodied cars, with unaltered firewall, floor, and body (from firewall rearward, wheeltubs permitted), runing between 10.00 (*6.40) and 10.99 (*6.99), roll bar permitted in place of roll cage. In convertinles running 10.99 (*6.99) or quicker or exceding 135 mph, roll cage mandatory
Hmm?
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12-13-2008, 11:36 PM
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what is your question?
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Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva
It started before I drove your car. I just have to look at it the wrong way and your car poops parts.
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12-13-2008, 11:38 PM
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Looks like it was lowered, no?
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2008 Sierra Vortec Max. 6.2 swapped, headers, Magnaflow catback, GMPP CAI, NHT optioned tow package.
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12-13-2008, 11:43 PM
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It appears to be lowered, but who knows. Won't affect you Chris as the only car you have fast enough is the one I sold you and it already has a cage. I'm doing a 10 point in my 67 so I don't have to worry about this crap for a while.
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12-14-2008, 12:03 AM
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thats from the 09 rule book already?
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Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva
It started before I drove your car. I just have to look at it the wrong way and your car poops parts.
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12-14-2008, 12:19 AM
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Yes.
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2008 Sierra Vortec Max. 6.2 swapped, headers, Magnaflow catback, GMPP CAI, NHT optioned tow package.
2006 GTO, 11.48 @ 118.3
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12-14-2008, 01:54 AM
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thats because there are stock cars that are pushing those numbers, the numbers were lowered mostly because of tons of 03 cobra convertible guys getting booted
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12-14-2008, 06:50 AM
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its wierd that they would lower the street car requirements at the same time that their safety practices are coming under fire for the upper classes
not complaining, its just wierd
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Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva
It started before I drove your car. I just have to look at it the wrong way and your car poops parts.
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12-14-2008, 06:55 AM
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umm WOOOT!!! lol
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12-14-2008, 07:09 AM
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this should make jon (b64c) really happy
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12-14-2008, 07:13 AM
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makes me really happy, its 1700 i can spend next year
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Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva
It started before I drove your car. I just have to look at it the wrong way and your car poops parts.
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12-14-2008, 08:04 AM
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Same here. I wont have to worry about hitting 11's in the vert. 
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12-14-2008, 08:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by qwikz28
this should make jon (b64c) really happy
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Hell yeah it does!
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12-14-2008, 09:39 AM
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I'm not sure why its making you guys happy... that says specifically for a roll CAGE. a roll BAR is still mandatory for cars 11.49 and qucker. and verts 13.49 and quicker. sorry.
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12-14-2008, 11:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva
I'm not sure why its making you guys happy... that says specifically for a roll CAGE. a roll BAR is still mandatory for cars 11.49 and qucker. and verts 13.49 and quicker. sorry.
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Some are interpreting the following sentence as the rule dropping from 11.49 to 10.99:
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In full-bodied cars, with unaltered firewall, floor, and body (from firewall rearward, wheeltubs permitted), runing between 10.00 (*6.40) and 10.99 (*6.99), roll bar permitted in place of roll cage.
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Last edited by SRGN; 12-14-2008 at 03:59 PM.
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12-14-2008, 03:29 PM
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Ayatollah of Rock N Rolla / Admin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SRGN
Some are interpreting the following sentence as the rule dropping from 11.49 to 10.49:
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I was under the understanding that a bar is good until 10.00. 9.99 is when you need the 10 point.
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12-14-2008, 03:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WildBillyT
I was under the understanding that a bar is good until 10.00. 9.99 is when you need the 10 point.
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That is correct. The part that gets confusing is whether the bar will be needed at 11.0 or 11.5. Crap I just realized I said 10.49 instead of 10.99. oops...
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12-14-2008, 04:04 PM
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A BAR is still needed at 11.49, but now a full-bodied, unaltered car will be allowed to run a BAR instead of a CAGE until 9.99 instead of 10.99.
- Justin
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12-14-2008, 04:24 PM
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Ayatollah of Rock N Rolla / Admin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tru2Chevy
A BAR is still needed at 11.49, but now a full-bodied, unaltered car will be allowed to run a BAR instead of a CAGE until 9.99 instead of 10.99.
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I thought you could already do this. A cage isn't needed until 9.99/135, and to the best of my understanding it has been that way since at least '05- that's when I installed a bar from S&W in a 10.xx car at their instruction.
Last edited by WildBillyT; 12-14-2008 at 04:25 PM.
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12-14-2008, 06:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WildBillyT
I thought you could already do this. A cage isn't needed until 9.99/135, and to the best of my understanding it has been that way since at least '05- that's when I installed a bar from S&W in a 10.xx car at their instruction.
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You are correct..
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12-14-2008, 06:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WildBillyT
I thought you could already do this. A cage isn't needed until 9.99/135, and to the best of my understanding it has been that way since at least '05- that's when I installed a bar from S&W in a 10.xx car at their instruction.
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That is correct, 5/6 point bar good to 9.99/135. Many people are reading into the rollbar part as not being needed until 10.99.
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12-15-2008, 06:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WildBillyT
I thought you could already do this. A cage isn't needed until 9.99/135, and to the best of my understanding it has been that way since at least '05- that's when I installed a bar from S&W in a 10.xx car at their instruction.
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I believe what happened is NHRA has now made the cage rule more stringent instead of lenient. They are saying the car has to be completely unaltered in order for it to not need a cage at 10.0 where nothing used to need it until 9.99
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01-10-2009, 04:21 PM
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Mongo the Meet Coordinator
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Just a quick question, at what time do you need a roll bar?
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01-10-2009, 04:26 PM
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A roll bar is still needed at 11.49 for hard top vehicles, 13.49 for convertibles. I am going to the nhra tech meetings next week so if that changes I'll post it up
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01-10-2009, 04:28 PM
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Mongo the Meet Coordinator
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Ok thanks, and does it matter if it is a 4,5,or 6 point? Weld in or bolt in? Etc.
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