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project89 · 03-15-2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GrandmasterCow

Wait, what is all done to this car? From what i've read, he's pushing 20-26# through a stock or built 3.1L (whats the cr, specs,etc.) ? what's the car's weight?

lots of the info posted isnt lets say exact,im saving that for when i tear the motor back down.

the jist of it is a pretty much a factory shortblock,arp rod bolts/good bearings and kb pistons/w plasma moly rings. all high speed balanced

cr is actually 8.5-1 and i can drop it down to almost 8.0-1 with a simple head gasket change if i need to.

custom spec cam thats in my sig is no longer in the motor, i have a diff grind in it now,the heads are ported but are not cnc'ed, i had issues witht he cnc ported heads and had to remove them.intake is just a ported stocker.

and thats pretty much it, other then the pushrods/springs/locks and retianers, which is all god comp cams stuff.

that leaves the custom stainless turboheaders t3/60-1 turbo, the megasquirt,
and the wet nitrous kit i havent even used yet(35-150 shot)

we did some testing at very high boost with the old turbo upto 28 pounds and methanol actually.but i wasnt about to try that with bolting a much larger turbo onto the car without retuning it first

other then that the car has a spool in the rear 4:10 gears a 4,500 9 inch stall converter front drag springs,rear drag shocks, boxed lca's,lcarbs

the bolt on frame connectors are gone,and im doing my own threw the floor connectors when the cage goes in

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

So let me get this straight...

You put down 270hp to the wheels, which is 30hp short of what stock LS1 guys put down, which on average lay down low 13's, and some how you are going to be 3 seconds faster through the traps?
You do understand that going faster requires exponentially more power? So going 100hp seperates a 200hp LB9 car doing 15's and a 300hp LS1 car going 13's. But a 400hp car like the GTO usually hit low 12's. Not nearly the same gap.
500hp car like the Z06 are mid to low 11's, and thats with a lighter Z06.
The ZR1, which puts down 640hp hits tens with 140hp more then the Z06....
So you are saying that your car that you have there, can hit the same times as the ZR1?

Ill be second to shake your hand if you can go faster then 12.0.

well we already know my car is faster then 13 flat,and we also know that my dyno numbers are nowere near acurate.

take any car dyno it,then lock out the ignition timing to *8 btdc then redyno it.Whats gonna happen???? how much power do u think the cars gonna lose?

hell i was lucky i could get it to pull to 5 grand on the dyno and the only reason it made it that far prolly was cause of my converter

NJSPEEDER · 03-15-2009, 06:42 PM

Instead of debating the cars potential everyone can just come to the track. He is planning to let me know when he is ready and I will let everyone know. We will hit E-town since it is local to him and we can all see the results first hand.

He is planning a lot of changes for the car, let him take the time to get it ironed out to his satisfaction and we can get the results on video.

Anyone who comes can feel free to see who is on which side of the debate and put up their bets then.

98tadriver · 03-15-2009, 06:43 PM

i wonder if i could hit 11s on street tires before he hits 12s.....

project89 · 03-15-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 98tadriver

i wonder if i could hit 11s on street tires before he hits 12s.....

its already hit 12's if u read the thread

btw what does a stock ls1 put down for tq numbers at the rear wheels?

NJSPEEDER · 03-15-2009, 06:46 PM

Most dead stock dyno's I have seen of LS 4th gens put them in the high 280's for both. Some do a bit better, some a little worse, but taht seems to be about the average. They also routinely weigh in at 3500-3600lbs

DaSkinnyGuy · 03-15-2009, 06:53 PM

To many people seem stuck on the fact seeing this car put down this pass with these dyno numbers.

So lets say he put in that new head gasket drops the compression ratio down, throws 10lbs more boost to the motor has all the tune set the way he needs it to then what power will he be making?

Throw 10lbs of boost into you car how much power will you be making? now throw 20lbs of boost into your car with lower compression ratio how much power will it be making?

project89 · 03-15-2009, 06:54 PM

k im sure u see were i was going with that

even with as low as my numbers were i put down 370ftlbs
anyway my cars the same wieght as a ls1 4thgen with me in it.
Gota put it back on a diet again

bubba428 · 03-15-2009, 08:34 PM

so sense this is aboutr what cars SHOULD do, when ever they might be ready...wanna race my regal? non-turbo, P&P heads/intake, decent size cam, 11:1 cr POS trans/rear. should be a good race. hell I'll race you with the 2.xx 10 bolt and crap trans, we'll see who gets farther before it breaks

NJSPEEDER · 03-15-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bubba428

we'll see who gets farther before it breaks

Isn't that a bit much of a gamble for any car you have worked on?

Sorry, had to, you just made that way too easy.

NJSPEEDER · 03-15-2009, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaSkinnyGuy

To many people seem stuck on the fact seeing this car put down this pass with these dyno numbers.

So lets say he put in that new head gasket drops the compression ratio down, throws 10lbs more boost to the motor has all the tune set the way he needs it to then what power will he be making?

Throw 10lbs of boost into you car how much power will you be making? now throw 20lbs of boost into your car with lower compression ratio how much power will it be making?

Let's say I have a Ferrari running down hill with the most powerful quad turbo V72 in history and super duper wings all over it, generating elevnty billion ft/lbs of down force and I can theoretically take the corner at the bottom of the hill at 900mph.

Sounds awesome in theory, but theories don't run as well as actual cars. Drop the whole "let's say" thing, it is beyond bench racing especially when it isn't your car.

bubba428 · 03-15-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

Isn't that a bit much of a gamble for any car you have worked on?

Sorry, had to, you just made that way too easy.

funny, being i'm one of the 1st people to offer free help to anyone in a reasonable radius...even done headers for a member so eat it...

besides your just jealous that my hoopty buick will be faster than your car

bubba428 · 03-15-2009, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

Let's say I have a Ferrari running down hill with the most powerful quad turbo V72 in history and super duper wings all over it, generating elevnty billion ft/lbs of down force and I can theoretically take the corner at the bottom of the hill at 900mph.

Sounds awesome in theory, but theories don't run as well as actual cars. Drop the whole "let's say" thing, it is beyond bench racing especially when it isn't your car.

I think i saw that on youtube

NJSPEEDER · 03-15-2009, 10:29 PM

Is it? We will have to see about that and I will even wait until you have all your good parts together, better trans, rear, and whatever else you need to buy/get done. Let me Know when yer ready.

BTW, did you see that link I sent you?

bubba428 · 03-15-2009, 10:36 PM

yup. i'm kinda confused as to if moser really made a 7.5in rear? maybe he's a dumbass and I can get it dirt cheap, I mean it is smallblockposse after all

NJSPEEDER · 03-15-2009, 10:39 PM

It is just Moser parts in a 7.5 and you can prolly get a good deal on it. Doesn't hurt to ask at least.

sweetbmxrider · 03-15-2009, 10:43 PM

we all seem to be overlooking the fact that he has two, yes two, cracks in the block. he welded them together and is trying to make some sort of respectable pass. dude get your car right before someone, including yourself, gets hurt or even KILLED! *******.

bubba428 · 03-15-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

we all seem to be overlooking the fact that he has two, yes two, cracks in the block. he welded them together and is trying to make some sort of respectable pass. dude get your car right before someone, including yourself, gets hurt or even KILLED! *******.

no it doesn't matter if he dies now...he's already reproduced...

Mike · 03-15-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bubba428

no it doesn't matter if he dies now...he's already reproduced...

best bubba post ever

BigAls87Z28 · 03-16-2009, 12:27 AM

Im still amazing that you think that this car should be pushing near 700hp. Thats what it comes down too.
Even if you magicly doubled your current output, had no problems, you STILL woulnt have enough to make 11's.
Its not going to happen. Id say that when you fail, you pay ALL of our pit passes that show up to see it. Im not gunna waste my 25 bucks to sit there and see you destroy the 14 second barrier.
You better start looking through old Army surplus for some rocket motors if you expect 10s.

NastyEllEssWon · 03-16-2009, 12:38 AM

im going to e-town to witness this trainwreck in person. if its half as entertaining as my last 10 minutes reading 6 pages filled with wtf's and desktop dyno numbers.

boosting a block with two welded holes in it doesnt seem like a solid start for your platform build. might i suggest replacing that 3.1 with a later model 3.8...hell even a 3.4.

iirc the 3.1 and 3.4 are both 60 degree v6's and are interchangable. hell it might be worth it to you to look into www.60degreev6.com. also im not sure but you might be able to toss on some heads from the newer fwd 3500 v6's. if you can id look into going that way because they flow better than 3400 heads ported and polished at their best.

theres plenty of options for the 60 degree v6's that you should look into if your actually serious.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/C...106_193741.htm

thats a video of a 3400 v6 turbo at 10 psi doing 12.9 in a fwd corsica. the guy is on 60degv6 i believe and has tons of info on this type of application and tuning.

BigAls87Z28 · 03-16-2009, 12:42 AM

I belive that with the 3.5/3.9 the intake is different as they redesigned it to get rid of teh massive problems they had with intake gasket failure.

bubba428 · 03-16-2009, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

im going to e-town to witness this trainwreck in person. if its half as entertaining as my last 10 minutes reading 6 pages filled with wtf's and desktop dyno numbers.

boosting a block with two welded holes in it doesnt seem like a solid start for your platform build. might i suggest replacing that 3.1 with a later model 3.8...hell even a 3.4.

iirc the 3.1 and 3.4 are both 60 degree v6's and are interchangable. hell it might be worth it to you to look into www.60degreev6.com. also im not sure but you might be able to toss on some heads from the newer fwd 3500 v6's. if you can id look into going that way because they flow better than 3400 heads ported and polished at their best.

theres plenty of options for the 60 degree v6's that you should look into if your actually serious.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/C...106_193741.htm

thats a video of a 3400 v6 turbo at 10 psi doing 12.9 in a fwd corsica. the guy is on 60degv6 i believe and has tons of info on this type of application and tuning.

werd, due to money, space, and family issues I've been on the fence about selling my 3.4 for the right price I'd let it go, but I don't even know why I'm posting this because I wouldn't sell it to him anyway

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

I belive that with the 3.5/3.9 the intake is different as they redesigned it to get rid of teh massive problems they had with intake gasket failure.

the 3500 and 3400 upper manifold is interchangable so the gaskit design is the same. the 3.9, while yes it still is a 60* V6 is a whole different motor entirely

NastyEllEssWon · 03-16-2009, 12:52 AM

yeah but the new style top end should still bolt to a 3.4 bottom end, maybe even a 3.1 since they basically mirror images with minor tweaks. its worth the hp gains especially since no one makes mods for these motors and the newer gm manifolds are getting really efficient on the 60 degree motors as the design fades out to the newer ohc motors

bubba428 · 03-16-2009, 12:53 AM

o0o NOW every jumps on the 3.4/3400 bandwagon....WTF you were all making fun of it 2 years ago when I started playing with my 3.4

NastyEllEssWon · 03-16-2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bubba428

o0o NOW every jumps on the 3.4/3400 bandwagon....WTF you were all making fun of it 2 years ago when I started playing with my 3.4

ive been modding 60 degree motors since i was 18. i have a closet addiction for lbody cars (berettas and corsicas) and have owned quite a few over the years.
the beretta boards are teeming with people modding 60 degrees.

heres a vid of two members on the site that have recently broken into the high thirteens with n/a 3400/3500 hybrid and stalled built auto lsd's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAiyc...eature=related

ive only been on this site for a year. so dont say i knocked you for your 60 degrees.