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Old 08-22-2013, 05:53 AM   #26
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Old 08-22-2013, 11:58 AM   #27
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The best will be the chummins fan boys who always claim "real" diesels are inline motors, and now... theres an almighty "C" on a V8.

Silly chummins you're not a duramax, go home your drunk.
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Old 08-22-2013, 01:00 PM   #28
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Old 08-22-2013, 06:53 PM   #29
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The best will be the chummins fan boys who always claim "real" diesels are inline motors, and now... theres an almighty "C" on a V8.

Silly chummins you're not a duramax, go home your drunk.
When they start putting duramax motors (or variants) in real trucks let me know. Heck even ford won't put their own diesel into their own med duty trucks, they call on the Cummins 6.7 ISB when there's real work to be done. And Chevrolet is too scared to build a true medium duty truck anymore and got out of the segment (Kodiak and TopKick) last I checked.

The Duramax might be good motors in pickup platforms, I don't know because I don't own/drive one everyday. But if you check the classifieds, the ratio of high mileage Cummins powered rigs that hold their value and are still on the road far outpaces similar Duramax powered rigs, and its not even close. That's not by accident. And now that Cummins has a V-8 variant in the Titan, we'll see how quickly (or not) they are able to school the Duramax crowd on how to do it with a V-8. Should be interesting.

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my Ram has taken so much abuse over the years and its still going strong. 4feet of water and miles of miles of towing. even a minor engine compartment fire but was fixed easily(fuel solenoid shorted open) and same oil since 2005 lol

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When they start putting duramax motors (or variants) in real trucks let me know. Heck even ford won't put their own diesel into their own med duty trucks, they call on the Cummins 6.7 ISB when there's real work to be done. And Chevrolet is too scared to build a true medium duty truck anymore and got out of the segment (Kodiak and TopKick) last I checked.

The Duramax might be good motors in pickup platforms, I don't know because I don't own/drive one everyday. But if you check the classifieds, the ratio of high mileage Cummins powered rigs that hold their value and are still on the road far outpaces similar Duramax powered rigs, and its not even close. That's not by accident. And now that Cummins has a V-8 variant in the Titan, we'll see how quickly (or not) they are able to school the Duramax crowd on how to do it with a V-8. Should be interesting.

Amen. Shouldn't have sold my 97. My "new to me" 2004.5 HO 5.9 HPCR just ain't the same, but I'm still getting used to it.

There is a duramax in 7500's..
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There is a duramax in 7500's..
There's also an 8.1L BBC and a CAT C7. But I still don't think they have a med duty truck offering anymore? Check the commercial truck traders, lots of the C7500 have BBC conversions listed as the engine option (what motor do you think they converted from?). There are lots of C7 Cat engines, very few Dmax. It's just not a medium duty diesel platform, that's all. Probably wasn't really ever designed to be. The Cummins platform is a true med duty diesel platform, designed that way from the jump. The variant they put in the dodge truck is so heavily detuned, its not even funny. I'm not a duramax hater or anything, but you can't deny the Cummins platform as a solid performer? You can hate on the many people that do silly things with their cummins powered dodges, but not the platform as a whole. Its a proven and reliable diesel engine family.
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There's also an 8.1L BBC and a CAT C7. But I still don't think they have a med duty truck offering anymore? Check the commercial truck traders, lots of the C7500 have BBC conversions listed as the engine option (what motor do you think they converted from?). There are lots of C7 Cat engines, very few Dmax. It's just not a medium duty diesel platform, that's all. Probably wasn't really ever designed to be. The Cummins platform is a true med duty diesel platform, designed that way from the jump. The variant they put in the dodge truck is so heavily detuned, its not even funny. I'm not a duramax hater or anything, but you can't deny the Cummins platform as a solid performer? You can hate on the many people that do silly things with their cummins powered dodges, but not the platform as a whole. Its a proven and reliable diesel engine family.
You are the one who jumped on the defend cummins soap box here, I was just being funny

I would love an old 12v as a play toy/daily driver/apocalypse vehicle, but I am stuck with a silly old Dmax for now.
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You are the one who jumped on the defend cummins soap box here, I was just being funny

I would love an old 12v as a play toy/daily driver/apocalypse vehicle, but I am stuck with a silly old Dmax for now.
Its all good. I just love my cummins power. I'm sure if had a Dmax for a daily, I'd be passionate for them just the same. That motor absolutely put Chevy/GMC back on the map as far as heavy duty pickups go. They were dead in the water with their previous diesel offerings and the traditional BBC was a dinosaur in the current market place. Healthy competition is good, keeps everyone going forward. Peace.
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Woo wooo!!

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They are not even 1500's, and a 1500 will not like towing your car.
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Explain?

Smaller diesels in trucks are just starting to come out, and that was only after testing the waters with sedans and diesels. Hopefully this catches on.
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They need to quit ****ing around and put a small diesel in the 1500 series already. The Canyorado platform is cool and all, but it's too small to actually do any *work* with.
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They need to quit ****ing around and put a small diesel in the 1500 series already. The Canyorado platform is cool and all, but it's too small to actually do any *work* with.
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I would assume this is a move for better MPG than similar gasser power plants.
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From what I gathered through light skimming, it will be around a 1-2 mpg improvement. I don't think that outweighs the $/gallon difference of diesel and regular.
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They'd make a better market impact with a diesel 1500.

Lately, it's like GM lost all their steam. The new direct injection motors in the 1500 trucks are not very impressive from a marketing numbers perspective. They're lower in HP than the competition (40 HP behind Dodge, 10 behind Ford), and more expensive to boot. Not enough models/trim levels, it's either a small motor stripper or cowboy cadillac that costs more than some homes. I'm not going to talk about style as that's a relative thing but I will say that square box designs are very 80's.
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I think this is a segment that will actually take off this time around.

GM put 6.5TDs into 1500 series trucks in the 90s and not many of them were made.

Now that consumers (non commercial buyers In the USA) have more confidence in diesel engines, I dont see why it wouldnt sell.

The half ton market is huge..if the power/mpg/price is right, it will sell.

As far as people buying "real trucks" or 'full size" ..for the majority of people its not really worth it. I am more then happy with my F150. Could I have gotten a 3/4 or 1 ton truck? Sure. Will I use that added towing capacity on a regular basis? No way. Is having a truck bed to throw car parts, beach crap, furniture, etc etc that COULD tow stuff much heavier a smarter move for me and a lot of the masses? yes.

Besides, why pay even more for registration/insurance etc. Bad enough Jersey bangs ya for a pass-comm reg on any pickup. ;x
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6.5TD... well yea, loud rattley and little power so no wonder why it did not take off in 1500's.

I am sure GM still has mini max plans on the back burner and maybe this move by Nissan will force their hand at tossing a small diesel in the 1500's.

It will be curious to see how complicated cummins made the motor to tune or modify as I am sure Nissan does not want 700ft-lb through their "full size" truck chassis.
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You mean they don't want people making steel pretzels?
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You mean they don't want people making steel pretzels?
that or just assuming Nissan can't make a transmission for it worth a damn
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Sooo.. Pretzels or trans-friction soup?
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