i like my bird with a little carnage-asada - updated with pics

[B4C]

Hows about a 400 with 350 396 is alittle bigger than I would be comfortable with a 350 based sbc.

[ib4200]

why not get a tbi 305, the choice of champions?

[BigAls87Z28]

I know a guy with a 305 with a few loose bearings?

[bubba428]

Originally Posted by B4C

Hows about a 400 with 350 396 is alittle bigger than I would be comfortable with a 350 based sbc.

you do know that its not done by boring right??? its only .030 bore. the stroke is 3.875 which is only .125 (1/8in) longer than a 383. there is 0 difference in the block from a 383 to a 396. I'm not really sure if most of you understand that. with coated bearings, ARP studs and cap-screws, all forged internals, high volume/pressure oil pump, and having them professionally installed there shouldn't be any issues at all. the block i have is a strong block as well. I did things on that engine i knew I shouldn't have, like not rebuild the bottom end, not have the block magnafluxed, not change the cam bearings. all things I should have done after that engine was in a front end wreck. I wasn't really surprised it blew, more so how bad.

[sweetbmxrider]

well a 396 would need a little more clearancing. so that kinda would weaken the block a lil bit.

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by bubba428

you do know that its not done by boring right??? its only .030 bore. the stroke is 3.875 which is only .125 (1/8in) longer than a 383. there is 0 difference in the block from a 383 to a 396. I'm not really sure if most of you understand that. with coated bearings, ARP studs and cap-screws, all forged internals, high volume/pressure oil pump, and having them professionally installed there shouldn't be any issues at all. the block i have is a strong block as well. I did things on that engine i knew I shouldn't have, like not rebuild the bottom end, not have the block magnafluxed, not change the cam bearings. all things I should have done after that engine was in a front end wreck. I wasn't really surprised it blew, more so how bad.

I fully understand it. And there will probably be a change in the block between the 383 and 396 since it needs to accomidate a longer stroke. I would bet that it needs to be clearanced more. You say your block is good- did you check the core shift? Did the piston carve up the cylinder wall at all when it went?

I still don't understand why you don't just go to a 400 block and save all the money you'd have to spend on extra work to make a smaller engine. Especially since this existing block needs to be bored, honed, etc.

To each his own, and I wish you the best of course. Just sounds like you are taking the long road.

[B4C]

Originally Posted by bubba428

you do know that its not done by boring right??? its only .030 bore. the stroke is 3.875 which is only .125 (1/8in) longer than a 383. there is 0 difference in the block from a 383 to a 396. I'm not really sure if most of you understand that. with coated bearings, ARP studs and cap-screws, all forged internals, high volume/pressure oil pump, and having them professionally installed there shouldn't be any issues at all. the block i have is a strong block as well. I did things on that engine i knew I shouldn't have, like not rebuild the bottom end, not have the block magnafluxed, not change the cam bearings. all things I should have done after that engine was in a front end wreck. I wasn't really surprised it blew, more so how bad.

Yes but some blocks need to be clearanced to build a 383 your going bigger...so more clerancing. Are you going to have to fill the block at all?? I dont understand a 396 SBC when you can build a 406 and have less problems/spend less money.

[bubba428]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

I fully understand it. And there will probably be a change in the block between the 383 and 396 since it needs to accomidate a longer stroke. I would bet that it needs to be clearanced more. You say your block is good- did you check the core shift? Did the piston carve up the cylinder wall at all when it went?

I still don't understand why you don't just go to a 400 block and save all the money you'd have to spend on extra work to make a smaller engine. Especially since this existing block needs to be bored, honed, etc.

To each his own, and I wish you the best of course. Just sounds like you are taking the long road.

no no no your miss understanding. that block, that just blew, is my 2 bolt main 010 block. the one I'm working on is my 4bolt main 010/020 block. the 010/020 is still standard bore and never been rebuilt. I don't want to use a 400 because any 400 block I can get access to would need to be bored to be usable. I already have in my possession a '76 010/020 block so why not use what i already have, as opposed to spending money that could go to better parts?

Originally Posted by B4C

Yes but some blocks need to be clearanced to build a 383 your going bigger...so more clerancing. Are you going to have to fill the block at all?? I dont understand a 396 SBC when you can build a 406 and have less problems/spend less money.

that i'd have to look into, the kit i want has clearanced rods but i don't know how or if that'll help

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by bubba428

no no no your miss understanding. that block, that just blew, is my 2 bolt main 010 block. the one I'm working on is my 4bolt main 010/020 block. the 010/020 is still standard bore and never been rebuilt. I don't want to use a 400 because any 400 block I can get access to would need to be bored to be usable. I already have in my possession a '76 010/020 block so why not use what i already have, as opposed to spending money that could go to better parts?




that i'd have to look into, the kit i want has clearanced rods but i don't know how or if that'll help

A stock 350 block will probably need machine work anyway to clear a stroker crank. I get your point though.

[bubba428]

i haven't really look into small block 396 builds yet, though, just kicking around ideas.

[mc73nova]

Thats quite an engine you have there!

Originally Posted by B4C

Yes but some blocks need to be clearanced to build a 383 your going bigger...so more clerancing. Are you going to have to fill the block at all?? I dont understand a 396 SBC when you can build a 406 and have less problems/spend less money.

How would it be less problems? Any size engine you build will work perfectly fine if its built properly. I'm not saying building a 396 is better but to say it will have less problems is cleary an opinion not a fact.

[B4C]

Less proablms as in less block work, block filling, clearancing, and whatever problems comes along with the block mods that are going to have to be made...406 is just a .030 over 400 block, not much extensive block work needed unless its in poor shape. Building the 396 properly sounds like its going to be expensive...seems unecessary for a street car but cool none the less. To each there own.

[mc73nova]

Originally Posted by B4C

Less proablms as in less block work, block filling, clearancing, and whatever problems comes along with the block mods that are going to have to be made...406 is just a .030 over 400 block, not much extensive block work needed unless its in poor shape. Building the 396 properly sounds like its going to be expensive...seems unecessary for a street car but cool none the less. To each there own.

You are saying that the work is the problem. So its not actually a problem, its just that you think a 406 is less work and thats why he should do it.

Where are you looking to be with the car when its done? Any hp #'s or e.t.'s in mind?

[Blacdout96]

I say this, with all the work going into it, why not just go big block, why not find a 454 out of a tow truck, or if you want to spend a little more scratch, go 396? maybe upgrade a few internal parts, have the heads cleaned up and breathing a little more, put a nice cam in it, and you wouldn't need to build any other car again.

[bubba428]

as far as i can tell filling the block isn't necessary. it really isn't that much different than a 383. its only 13ci bigger. when you think about it, you bore a 350 .060 and its a 360 that's 10ci. I'm only going .030 and the crank and rods themselves are clearanced. I shouldn't have to do all that much. from what I have researched that would only be necessary if I was going to go higher than .040 bore, but I'm only going .030. Again, its an idea, not set in stone. i have to see what the spring brings and how money goes then

[bubba428]

Originally Posted by mc73nova

You are saying that the work is the problem. So its not actually a problem, its just that you think a 406 is less work and thats why he should do it.

Where are you looking to be with the car when its done? Any hp #'s or e.t.'s in mind?

Target??? lowest ET possible with a 350 block I'd like to see 10s when all is said and done, but I need chassis and drivetrain work before i can get close

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

I say this, with all the work going into it, why not just go big block, why not find a 454 out of a tow truck, or if you want to spend a little more scratch, go 396.

why don't YOU go with a V8??? why do you keep your 3.8? why are you rebuilding a 3.8? why don't you get a 454?

[Blacdout96]

Because it has a better weight distribution then a V8, and I dont want to change over the wiring harness, k member, etc, plus it keeps me in check to not be a speed demon everywhere. If i wanted a V8 car, it would just be smarter in the end to just BUY a v8 car instead of doing all that work that has already been done from the factory.


Id never use such a heavy block like that in a road course car, you know I don't like drag racing, it's so boring and stupid to me, not that it may be stupid to others, but it's just not that exciting.

[mc73nova]

Originally Posted by bubba428

Target??? lowest ET possible with a 350 block I'd like to see 10s when all is said and done, but I need chassis and drivetrain work before i can get close

Not a hard target to reach with a 350 block. Good luck with the build.

[sweetbmxrider]

eh compstar 3.875" crank for $687

http://www.cnc-motorsports.com/produ...69&CtgID=26753

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

eh compstar 3.875" crank for $687

http://www.cnc-motorsports.com/produ...69&CtgID=26753

Good call. Forgot about them.

[bandit88]

Originally Posted by ib4200

why not get a tbi 305, the choice of champions?

i have an lolo3 waiting for a home

[bubba428]

i was actually looking at an eagle competition rotating kit. forged 4340 crank, forged 4340 H beam rods and forged +5cc pistons. supposedly its good to 750hp how it comes, and 1500 with upgraded rod bolts. the only real issue is going to be crank to cam clearance. so its going to make it hard to get past that

[NastyEllEssWon]

dont forget to get ratio rocker arms....i heard those are where its at

[bubba428]

lol...I'm sticking with 1.5 ratio but comp rollers

[bubba428]

well i pulled the motor and it looked no too bad, not fixable but not impressive



then I took off the oil pan and WOW

next cylinder over


piston and the contents of the oil pan...yes there was lifters and cam chunks


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osQnk5K_ppM