No 420 threads?

[Squirrel]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

because it all boils down to the lesser of two evils. as said before, medicine, industry and saving money and resources prosecuting non violent ''offenders''. marijuana was only illegalized because it was poised to take over as the major industry in america...including big oil. the government ran a propaganda (yes your fav word) campaign against it and simple minded people like you believe their rederick.



i find this all amusing that im arguing this with someone who has no problem tanking a few beers then driving home.

rhetoric*.... otherwise, good arguement

[Frosty]

So what if people want it legalized so they can use it for recreational purposes? What's the big deal? Is it any worse than alcohol? IMO, no it's not. The only big issue I have is how can an officer tell if someone is truly under the influence? What kind of guidelines would there be for legal limits(like how we have BAC levels)? Once that gets sorted out legalize it. Just because you smoke up doesn't mean you're some drain on society or some burnt out stoner...hell I know people that use it and make more $$(legally lol) than most people on the board...everything in moderation.

Tsar brought up the slippery slope argument and he's right to a point but IMO weed isn't nearly as dangerous as some of the heavier drugs out there so I don't know if there would be a big push to legalize meth, crack, etc.

I don't know, I just don't see the big deal about it, while it's not exactly my thing I see it no worse than alcohol, maybe even the lesser of the two.

[NastyEllEssWon]

that part is the tough part. i also believe it would fall under the same parameters it does now. there is no real ''test'' to find out if someone is under the influence of marijuana, however a series of field tests and judgement call by the officer is usually how it goes, and probably would go. there is a saliva test but it would prove inaccurate because thc in your saliva lasts for 12 hours at the least.


either way id like to think that a few field tests, checking for dilation of the pupils would still be used.


thanks squirrel i knew it was spelled wrong when i typed it. couldnt find the correct spelling.

[LTb1ow]

Still do not see the need to legalize it, de criminalize? Yes. Use for medical purpose? Yes.

Allow it to be like alcohol? No.

[JL8Jeff]

That's kind of what I was referring to that you can't use alcohol as an arguing point because that shouldn't be legal either. But regarding the "how do you measure" the legal limit of mj you would also need to create a new scenario that combines an alcohol limit and mj limit together. So that really opens up a can of worms. Using both substances at the same time would change the existing alcohol limit. And it would probably take years for them to test and find the limit of mj level. But I'm sure they would have no problem finding volunteers to figure out the limit!

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by LTs1ow

Allow it to be like alcohol? No.

Why not?

Jeff, I agree, alcohol should be illegal too but we see how well prohibition worked out lol. Check that, GOOD alcohol should be legal, garbage stuff like beer and bottom shelf liquor should be banned. Natty Light can still be legal for the broke college kids.

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Why not?

Jeff, I agree, alcohol should be illegal too but we see how well prohibition worked out lol. Check that, GOOD alcohol should be legal, garbage stuff like beer and bottom shelf liquor should be banned. Natty Light can still be legal for the broke college kids.

Cause alcohol is a lousy thing to have legal as is, why add more stuff to the list.

[Slow-V6]

They are trying to make it illegal to smoke cigs in public and now what happens if it is legal to smoke weed in public? What about second hand Highs from pot??

I fix the machines that test you for drugs and there is a set number that if you have more then XXX ng's in your urine then you pop positive, If you test less then XXX then you test negative. That could be a scale for cops to use..

So why is Pot illegal if its not a bad drug?? Why is this drug illegal and drugs like caffine, and tobacco are not??

[Tru2Chevy]

Originally Posted by LTs1ow

Still do not see the need to legalize it, de criminalize? Yes.

Maybe I'm just having a dense moment, but what's the difference between decriminalization and legalization? I mean, if it's no longer a crime to possess / use MJ, then how would it not be legal?

Originally Posted by Slow-V6

They are trying to make it illegal to smoke cigs in public and now what happens if it is legal to smoke weed in public? What about second hand Highs from pot??

I am sure that if MJ was legalized that the public smoking rules would apply the same as tobacco products.

- Justin

[NastyEllEssWon]

decriminalization would bust things like possession down to a ticketable offense. the same as jaywalking basically. not enough to get thrown in jail on, but enough for the govt to waste their time and valuable resources writing tickets for.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Tsar brought up the slippery slope argument and he's right to a point but IMO weed isn't nearly as dangerous as some of the heavier drugs out there so I don't know if there would be a big push to legalize meth, crack, etc.

Since you brought it up, what exactly is wrong with me smoking some meth in the privacy of my own home? Or snorting cocaine for example.

Am I hurting any 3rd party? No.

I pinky swear that I won't drive under the influence of either, and buy this substance with my own, not stolen, money.

Legalize it? Why not?

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Slow-V6

They are trying to make it illegal to smoke cigs in public and now what happens if it is legal to smoke weed in public? What about second hand Highs from pot??

Dude are you serious? Can you drink in public? In most areas no, you can't...why could you all of a sudden be able use an intoxicating drug in public once pot is legal? Pot would be more compared to alcohol laws/restrictions, not cigarettes. Your point is a huge reach.

Originally Posted by Tsar

Since you brought it up, what exactly is wrong with me smoking some meth in the privacy of my own home? Or snorting cocaine for example.

Am I hurting any 3rd party? No.

I pinky swear that I won't drive under the influence of either, and buy this substance with my own, not stolen, money.

Legalize it? Why not?

Personally, what people do in their own home really IS none of my business(that's the Libertarian in me) but crack, meth, coke,etc is damn near instantly addictive regardless if people like it. There isn't enough evidence to prove that MJ is actually addictive in itself....hell some studies have shown caffeine is more addictive.

So that's why the drugs I listed shouldn't be legalized.

[Slow-V6]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Dude are you serious? Can you drink in public? In most areas no, you can't...why could you all of a sudden be able use an intoxicating drug once pot is legal? Pot would be more compared to alcohol laws/restrictions, not cigarettes. Your point is a huge reach.

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Because it is real hard to make a joint look like a cigarette.. If they do make it legal then you will probably be able to go buy a pack of MJ cigarettes at the stores anyways..

I can drink outside in my apartment complex, and pretty much anywere I want as long as its in a not so obvious container.. Hell at Fuddruckers car shows on Fridays you can drink outside while walking around the parking lot..

[Frosty]

You will probably be able to buy MJ cigarettes? Says who? You're hung up on this whole "you'll be able to go to Wawa and buy weed" without a single shred of evidence to back up that type of claim.

I do get the 2nd hand stuff though, it's a good point. I don't know, you see how California handles it and see counties like Amsterdam handle it and it just doesn't appear to be that big of a deal.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Dude are you serious? Can you drink in public? In most areas no, you can't...why could you all of a sudden be able use an intoxicating drug in public once pot is legal? Pot would be more compared to alcohol laws/restrictions, not cigarettes. Your point is a huge reach.



Personally, what people do in their own home really IS none of my business(that's the Libertarian in me) but crack, meth, coke,etc is damn near instantly addictive regardless if people like it. There isn't enough evidence to prove that MJ is actually addictive in itself....hell some studies have shown caffeine is more addictive.

So that's why the drugs I listed shouldn't be legalized.

Well I can drink in public in Vegas, hell I can buy a 100oz drink and walk around anywhere in that mofo. I can also smoke at the same time, or in a casino surrounded by 11ty billion people.

It's addictive? So what? I'm doing it in my home! It's my castle - I can do anything here, right?! Some people say that fast food is addictive! and it's legal last time I checked. I want cocaine and meth legalized!

I'm just trying to be difficult.

[Frosty]

I know you are lol...it's something you're good at. :

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by Tsar

Well I can drink in public in Vegas, hell I can buy a 100oz drink and walk around anywhere in that mofo. I can also smoke at the same time, or in a casino surrounded by 11ty billion people.

It's addictive? So what? I'm doing it in my home! It's my castle - I can do anything here, right?! Some people say that fast food is addictive! and it's legal last time I checked. I want cocaine and meth legalized!

I'm just trying to be difficult.

McMeth

[Slow-V6]

Originally Posted by Frosty

You will probably be able to buy MJ cigarettes? Says who? You're hung up on this whole "you'll be able to go to Wawa and buy weed" without a single shred of evidence to back up that type of claim.

I do get the 2nd hand stuff though, it's a good point. I don't know, you see how California handles it and see counties like Amsterdam handle it and it just doesn't appear to be that big of a deal.

You compare MJ to alcholol and I have proven that you can buy alcholol in WaWa's.. If you compare MJ to Alcholol then why wouldnt you be able to buy MJ in WaWa's if it is legal just like alcholol??

Just saw on the news that a city in NJ made it illegal to smoke in parks and playgrounds.. Pretty soon you wont be able to smoke outside at all..

[Squirrel]

Originally Posted by Tsar

Well I can drink in public in Vegas, hell I can buy a 100oz drink and walk around anywhere in that mofo.

i got hammered on the train to the yankees game yesterday, so i approve of DIP

Originally Posted by Slow-V6

Just saw on the news that a city in NJ made it illegal to smoke in parks and playgrounds.. Pretty soon you wont be able to smoke outside at all..

"You can't smoke on Earf no mo, you gonna have to leave Earf to have a square now." - Cedric the Entertainer

[NastyEllEssWon]

the whole point is that yes you can buy alcohol in convenience stores....but thats only beer or wine. you have to go to a special store to buy the hard liquor, they dont just sell it anywhere. i would suspect that MJ would take the likes of liquor and other countries that sell mary jane, where you can buy it in designated stores, government regulated by licenses and all types of red tape.


i have a ton of experience with the marijuana dispensaries in california. they are NON profit, government regulated and few and far between. we used to have to drive to san fransisco from san jose, visit one of the 5 dispensaries in the city, show id, verification and then follow a specific set of rules to transport it...which are very similar to how alcohol is supposed to be transported.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Slow-V6

You compare MJ to alcholol and I have proven that you can buy alcholol in WaWa's.. If you compare MJ to Alcholol then why wouldnt you be able to buy MJ in WaWa's if it is legal just like alcholol??

Just saw on the news that a city in NJ made it illegal to smoke in parks and playgrounds.. Pretty soon you wont be able to smoke outside at all..

I've already spelled it out

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

the whole point is that yes you can buy alcohol in convenience stores....but thats only beer or wine. you have to go to a special store to buy the hard liquor, they dont just sell it anywhere. i would suspect that MJ would take the likes of liquor and other countries that sell mary jane, where you can buy it in designated stores, government regulated by licenses and all types of red tape.


i have a ton of experience with the marijuana dispensaries in california. they are NON profit, government regulated and few and far between. we used to have to drive to san fransisco from san jose, visit one of the 5 dispensaries in the city, show id, verification and then follow a specific set of rules to transport it...which are very similar to how alcohol is supposed to be transported.

But he spelled it out better.

So basically stop talking out of your ass and making up stuff.

[Slow-V6]

Originally Posted by Frosty

I've already spelled it out



But he spelled it out better.

So basically stop talking out of your ass and making up stuff.

What am I making up?? That perhaps one day "IF" MJ is legalized it "could" be sold in 7/11's and convience stores?? Why do I need proof when its not even legal yet?? Show me proof that it wont be sold in Convience stores??

[NastyEllEssWon]

my proof that it wont be sold in convenience stores is the fact that you cant buy hard liquor in convenience stores. also america would look at other countries that sell legal marijuana and take a look at what works in controlling and regulating it effectively. currently the medicinal marijuana dispensaries in america are modeled after amsterdams own coffee shops...and would likely take another page from that book.

[Slow-V6]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

my proof that it wont be sold in convenience stores is the fact that you cant buy hard liquor in convenience stores. also america would look at other countries that sell legal marijuana and take a look at what works in controlling and regulating it effectively. currently the medicinal marijuana dispensaries in america are modeled after amsterdams own coffee shops...and would likely take another page from that book.

That makes sense since this country follows other countrys ways of life..

[BigAls87Z28]

See, this is why if you are a fan of making MJ legal, you do not bring up the "oh, but its better/just as bad as *insert other bad thing* to use!" argument because it just enters the slippery slope.

If you want to legalize it, you push the $$$ factor or even the ecologocial factor, not the "its better than meth" argument.